How Long Was the Younger Dryas?

Britannica:

between 12,900 and 11,600 years ago

Swedish wiki:

för cirka 12 800 till 11 700 år sedan

German wiki:

ca. 10.700–9.700 v. Chr.

French wiki:

de 12 850 à 11 650 ans avant le présent / soit une période de 10 900 à 9 700 av. J.-C.

English wiki:

12,900 to 11,700 years Before Present

So, begins 10 900 to 10 700 BC. Ends 9700 to 9600 BC. These years are around the beginning, around a certain middle and just after the end:

2634 BC

37.009 pmC, dated as 10,851 BC*

2621 BC

40.229 pmC, dated as 10,148 BC

2608 BC

43.443 pmC, 9500 BC

So, c. 26 years or less.

It was perhaps less cold than supposed according to this youtube:

How We Know PEOPLE Travelled FAR NORTH In The YOUNGER DRYAS
MegalithHunter | 27.V.2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzuBu93ROvI

* The pmC back when the samples start imply 8200 extra years, since 8200 years of instant age, with some rounding. 8200 + 2634 = 10 834 BC

5730 * log(0.37009) / log(0.5) = 8217 years, without rounding. 8217 + 2634 = 10 851 BC.

Follow Up Question

Did This Last 2000 Years or Only 410 Years? · Follow Up Question

Table of Nations in Genesis 10 was before the reduction of male Y chromosome lines.

So, there were more lines in the time of Table of Nations than there are now.

There are these possibilities:

• we no longer have all the male lines from Table of Nations, they were mostly lost through this reduction;
• most losses were within single ones of the 72 nations, so, each first branched out and then, in male lines, reduced;
• or Table of Nations was originally more numerous, but got updated through remaining lines, probably reducing some groups to "group mentions" (Dodanim could be one such, but so would Mitsraim, Capthorim and Philistim be).

I'm not sure which, while I can't exclude the first one, I tend to imagine the last./HGL

Did This Last 2000 Years or Only 410 Years?

Did This Last 2000 Years or Only 410 Years? · Follow Up Question

See this video:

A Genetic Purge Happened 5000–7000 Years Ago
ReYOUniverse | 18 May 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cl-xSNt1TU

Whatever the real reason for the disappearances of so many Y-chromosome lines, or whatever combination, it was arguably not the best time to live.

In Carbon dates, it's 5000 to 3000 BC.

2189 BC

70.415 pmC, dated as 5089 BC

1779 BC

85.963 pmC, dated as 3029 BC

In the Biblical dates of my Newer Tables, it's 2189 to 1779 BC, from near death of Eber to near birth of Joseph.*

Did all of this last for 2060 years or for 410?

There is another point.

Did this begin in Adam's lifespan (for those who believe that Adam and Eve existed but were one couple among many)? Or did this begin after Babel and end somewhat after Abraham's death, Ancient Near East being a place which in his life had already somewhat calmed down?

I think this concerns the goodness of God.

In the conditions described, would not the promise of the Redeemer, the seed of the woman, be lost or over such a long time of trauma modified?

How long after Babel is this supposed to have started? In my tables, 2557 BC, birth of Phalec, is dated to 8000 BC:

2557 BC

51.766 pmC, dated as 8000 BC

This means, it takes 368 years from the scattering of mankind to when this is happening. Some have said the Gentiles, the lines excepting Eber and Phalec, were turned directly over to the demons. This was Michael Heiser's view. I say this is false, there was a time when Gentile didn't yet mean fullblown apostasy from the faith of Noah and his sons.

But the reason why God would chose a people is, there was a time, even on my view 410 years long, when most peoples went very wrong. If God hadn't chosen one nation, all would have gone wrong. He called Abraham, who was certainly taught the truth by the greatgrandfather Sarug, in the nick of time, since the father Thare, and possibly brother but probably grandfather Nachor were going wrong.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Pope St. Celestine V
19.V.2025

Natalis sancti Petri de Morono Confessoris, qui, ex Anachoreta Summus Pontifex creatus, dictus est Caelestinus Quintus. Sed Pontificatu se postmodum abdicavit, et in solitudine religiosam vitam agens, virtutibus et miraculis clarus, migravit ad Dominum.

* Joseph was actually 18 when this was over. So, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph "saw" the end of it. Serug saw it begin. Nachor, Terah, Abraham lived through this time.

TV Programmes for Children

They come in several tastes. But a scientific popularisation programme when directed to children is supposed to have:

• exploration trips
• someone doing mistakes on purpose as a foil, so someone can explain
• enthusiasm
• lots of observation on the objects of exploration
• green and sunny scenery (unless rain is the exploration) ...

There were TV programmes like that in Sweden. I can't remember a specific title, I think two or three different ones float together in my memory, or some of them were just part items in larger programmes.* But I recognise a good science programme for children when I see one.

This one is not from Sweden. And especially not from the Swedish state owned TV channels TV1 and TV2. This means, they are not tied to a Naturalistic world view.

Schus Off! Season One, Pilot Episode: “Jumpers”
https://kidsanswers.org/schus-off-season-one-pilot-episode-jumpers/

* Actually, the late Arne Weise was one of the best hosts. But he's even better remembered for science programme's for adults, namely as translating Sir David Attenborough. Some of their agendas were less optimal than the Schus!

"Only Experts Wanted"

Someone posted a gorgeous photo of Avery Foley on a FB group and attacked her.

I found the description so appealing (apart from an error on his part) that I at first suspected she had been using self irony to check her fan base.* Nevertheless, one of his words is a reminder of a basically Prussian attitude:

"Indeed Foley, whose scientific credentials are an Associates degree in Office Administration, has written extensively (and confusingly) about a myriad of scientific subjects, none of which she's actually qualified to comment on as an expert."

Thanks for "as an expert" ... it would be even better if he had said "as an accredited expert" since I think there is such a thing as amateur expertise, and as an amateur astronomer at age 8, the winter before I became a Christian, I had been told that one of the phantastic things about science is scientists have to answer questions and potential objections from anyone, not just from fellow experts. That was in late 1976 or early 1977. Since then, I have seen this more Prussian attitude:

"you are not an expert, you don't have the right to an opinion"

Or in the German original:

"du bist ein Laie, du hast kein Recht auf einer Meinung"

I would distinguish. There are certain types of debate that are really inside the discipline. If you want to argue measurements, whether the parallax of Vega** is 129.87 or 130.59 micro-arc-seconds, I think I'll very definitely leave that to the experts. Dito, I completely trust them that in Heliocentric absolute geometry for the Solar System, this would mean Vega is 25 light years away. But when it comes to another question, namely whether 25 light years can equally be ascertained from that observation or deutero-observation in an absolute geometry that's Geocentric for the universe, this is a matter of logic and trigonometry. If an angel can move Vega, the parallax as well as annual aberration can be a proper movement, which would leave the triangle as offering us one known angle and no known distance, the double Astronomic Unit falling strictly outside this type of triangle. This is a fact about trigonometry (minimum for calculating the triangle being three known quantities whereof at least one known distance, and one angle, no distance, being less than that), and as such approachable independently of very expert assessments about their observations.

The same thing is true about Heliocentrism with only Newtonian movers (mass -> inertia, mass -> graviation) versus Geocentrism with a divine mover for each day and an angelic one for each individual celestial body. This is not a question of highly qualified informations that experts can access and can assess the epistemic validity of, it's more like a question of what's ultimately reasonable. If you believe there is no God, you are doomed to believe Heliocentrim, because the spirograph patterns that planets make otherwise would be too intricate for purely Newtonian factors and we have no biological brains that size. If you believe God exists, you have no reason to accept that. And if you are not sure, as as the case with some of my readers, you can ask what you feel more strongly about:

• trusting your own eyes, and the eyes of experts (which includes, even with the best instruments, observing Geocentrism)
• trusting materialism, the lack of God, of angels.

I think from a neutral standpoint insofar as at some moment someone has that, only the former is reasonable. And it doesn't favour Vega being 25 light years away, since it doesn't favour the Astronomic Unit taken twice as being part of the triangle between Earth and Vega, if it's Vega that physically has two positions.

And from any reasonable standpoint, that is not a question for a corps of experts who approach all astronomic questions from a bias of Newtonian factors only and no to Geocentrism. Bias is not a qualification for treating a question affected by that bias.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
II Sunday after Easter
4.V.2025

* From reading her profile, not likely:

Avery is married to Trevor Schu and a homeschool mom to their five children.

Best wishes to them all!

** French wiki says: "Parallaxe 130,23 ± 0,36 mas"