Deen Academy Underlines that Biblical and Quranic Flood (As he sees it) are Not the Same

How did Noah fit EVERY animal on the Ark? The Islamic Truth
Deen Academy | 1 July 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2tw12az6N4

5:22 — after 5:46

Regarding the story of Noah, unfortunately, some Muslims today think that the Islamic story of Noah is the same as the biblical one, which is absolutely not the case. They believe that somehow the flood of Noah was worldwide, and he literally gathered all of those 1.6m species of animals on one wooden boat. Guys, this story is from the Bible. There is zero, zero verses or hadith claiming that that ever happened.

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6:28 — 6:50

And in our case today, the case of Noah, it actually contradicts what Allah said in Surah Al-A'raf. Those who drowned in the flood are those who disbelieved in the message of Noah. I want you to think about this exclusivity. Everyone who drowned initially met Noah, heard the message from him, understood it, and then purposely denied it, meaning the flood strictly affected those who lived in the area where Noah lived or maybe traveled.

If this is what Mohammed meant, he was not a sailor. Watch this:

Incredible story of boy swept away by Boxing Day tsunami who survived for 3 WEEKS alone
The Sun | 26 Dec. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnV9UwQKguQ

The boy survived for three weeks, because he was not near the coast, not where the water was shallow and waves sharp. The same is true of the table he floated on.

A Flood drowning two villages would destroy the Ark of the Bible. Only a global Flood could allow it to float.

If the sea floor is 9 meters below the surface, waves go around a radius of maximally 9 meters. If the sea floor is a km or two under a surface, waves go around a radius of maximally a km or two, probably not that much, but certainly bigger than nine meters. And that allows the surface to be fairly smooth even in very intense waves. The SS Wyoming didn't sink in the Atlantic, it sank in Nantucket Bay, where the medium depth is nine meters.

One can add, if one wants to quibble, that Deen Academy misrepresents the Bible. The text doesn't use a word for Linnean species, a concept that didn't exist. It does not even use the word "species" corresponding to Linnean species, but "genus" which verbally might correspond to genus. I don't think it usually does (except for genus homo = mankind), but it verbally corresponds.

However, I think the Ark had one pair of hedgehogs. That's not a species, there are 17 species of hedgehog. That's not even a genus, there are five species of hedgehogs. That's a whole subfamily (the other subfamily of the family being gymnures, which might also descend from that pair).

If one wants to really quibble, even on the level of species, it's a misrepresentation. Most of these species are insects and many of the rest are sealife. The Biblical story speaks of land animals and birds being passengers on the Ark, not of plants, fish or insects being so. Some may have been on the Ark as food, but none were so as passengers. We need birds, reptiles, possibly amphibians, and mammals.

11 000 / 17 = 647 pairs of birds
12 000 / 17 = 706 pairs of reptiles
6 640 / 17 = 391 pairs of mammals
possibly
8 000 / 17 = 471 pairs of amphibians

647 + 706 + 391 + 471 = 2215 pairs

Or families? I search F search on "family" in "list of Amphibian genera", dito reptile genera, bird genera. For mammals, I do sth different, no F search required:

Mammalia is a class of vertebrate animals. Members of this class are called mammals. It comprises 5,909 extant species, which are grouped into 163 families, themselves grouped into 27 orders in 3 major divisions.

From the article List of mammals.

Amphibians 129 pairs
Reptiles 95 pairs
Birds 262 pairs
Mammals 163 pairs

129 + 95 + 262 + 163 = 649 pairs

So, the Islamic answer (according to Deen Academy) is, in 120 years, Noah's message reached only two villages, when an entire world was in iniquity or violence or oppression. Hence, those that were outside the two villages were spared, Noah's Ark survived the water that drowned two villages, which is really a feat if it could even take in the species of animals of the region, which defies all probability of known behaviour of waves or ships.

Meanwhile the Biblical answer (if you ask me) involves, in 120 years, the whole Nodian civilisation would have heard of that trouble maker Noah who insisted on building a big box intended to float as if the world was going to drown, but even those who hadn't would have known cannibalism was wrong, like we have seen cannibalism in Atapuerca (and the dating being potassium argon tells me that it was buried beneath lava from the break up of the fountains of the deep, so it was before the Flood, and the same is true of the cannibalised skulls near Solo river), the Ark survived society for 120 years because people wanted to have sth to laugh about, and it survived the waves because the Ark took off from the highest pre-Flood mountain (possibly one that was sandpapered into the Meseta by the Flood) into a global Ocean, where the waves had a big radius and didn't pose a threat to the floating of the Ark.

And above mathematics shows, the Ark was adequate for the couples it was supposed to have as guests.

In 2004, a society which took men like Gabriel Matzneff as paying guests had forgotten the thing about the Ark. The boy survived to prove, a global Ocean was safer for the Ark than a flooding area flooding two villages.

Meanwhile, apart from a doubt in Islamic sources and a negative in Chinese accounts, mixing up the Flood account with an account of a China wide flooding, most sources among Pagans confirm the Bible. Norse myth places the Flood before creation, but it clearly means, even if earth is a disc above what was then, the Flood took all of Jotunheim except part of the rim, where Bergelmer survived. The Babylonian account says Ziusudra got into his giant coracle in Shuruppak, 9 metres above the Persian Gulf, and landed on Mount Nisir, identified as Pira Magrun with 2,588 m above sea level. How does a vessel of any kind, coracle, boat or huge box, float upwards to an elevation that is 2580 metres higher if only two villages are drowned, like Franco did near Jaca, to form the Yesa Reservoir? Greeks also say that the flood was sufficiently world spanning for the survivors to be peopling both Greece and Egypt. Again, doesn't sound like two villages to me.

Remember, if you prefer even a very large regional flood, not just two villages, but maybe two or three countries in a valley, like all of Mesopotamia, even then the water depth is too shallow for safe floating around of the Ark.

I wonder whether Deen Academy will dare to answer me ... or even to try.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Visitation of the Blessed Virgin to Elisabeth
2.VII.2026

Visitatio beatae Mariae Virginis ad Elisabeth.

PS, the man in the video doesn't tell the exact same story that I recall from the news back then. Suppose this is the correct version, this still leaves a solution for the global Ocean if we look at rafts across the Pacific, like Kon Tiki, and it still poses a two problems for a "two villages were drowned view", as in how could God allow the 2004 Boxing Day Tsunami after the promise in Genesis 9, and how could the Ark survive such a shallow water?/HGL

Does Russia Check Up on a Young Earth Creationist to Ask Others Not To?

This blog, Creation vs. Evolution

2,72 k, last 24 h, Russia below last visible country, which had 28 views.

17,1 k, last week, Russia on top, with Russia, 5,37 k views.

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere

3,58 k, last 24 h, Russia is XII with 44 views.

58,4 k, last week, Russia is on top, with 5,69 k views.

France follows suit, last 24 h France is V with 85 views.

Last week, France was IV, with 2,49 k views.

Back to this blog, Creation vs. Evolution, last 24 h France is below last visible country which has 29 views.

Last week, France was V with 643 views.

One blog more, an old main blog of mine:

deretour

1,57 k, last 24 h, Russia and France both below 18, so not visible in stats (there may be some in "others").

6,43 k, last week, peak on 22, Russia on top with 1,05 k, France and Pakistan both give 96 views at shared XIV.

Now, this might be different.

Current main blog, New blog on the kid

16,4 k, last 24 h, France read 262, but Russia is below 157 (where we have Ukraine, btw).

62,3 k, last week, Russia on top with 15,2 k, and France is at VI with 1,38 k page views.

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica

2,99 k, last 24 h, France and Uzbekistan share place XIV, 38 pv each, Russia is below 28.

20 k, last week, Russia on top with 5,62 k pv, France at V with 835./HGL

The "Jesuit" Spitzer Offers Fake Exegesis

Of Genesis 1—11, obviously, but also of Divino Afflante Spiritu.

Spitzer is basically presenting it as teaching Non Overlapping Magisteria, and here is Pius XII in so many words taking his distance from Non-Overlapping Magisteria:

When, subsequently, some Catholic writers, in spite of this solemn definition of Catholic doctrine, by which such divine authority is claimed for the "entire books with all their parts" as to secure freedom from any error whatsoever, ventured to restrict the truth of Sacred Scripture solely to matters of faith and morals, and to regard other matters, whether in the domain of physical science or history, as "obiter dicta" and - as they contended - in no wise connected with faith, Our Predecessor of immortal memory, Leo XIII in the Encyclical Letter Providentissimus Deus, published on November 18 in the year 1893, justly and rightly condemned these errors and safe-guarded the studies of the Divine Books by most wise precepts and rules.

Let me parse it.

Beginning of temporal clause:

When, subsequently,

its subject:

some Catholic writers,

a circumstance in a clause subsidiary to it:

in spite of this solemn definition of Catholic doctrine, by which such divine authority is claimed for the "entire books with all their parts" as to secure freedom from any error whatsoever,

verb of the temporal clause:

ventured

what did they venture?

to restrict the truth of Sacred Scripture solely to matters of faith and morals,

what more did they venture?

and to regard other matters, whether in the domain of physical science or history, as "obiter dicta" and - as they contended - in no wise connected with faith,

main clause being introduced by above

subject of main clause:

Our Predecessor of immortal memory, Leo XIII

circumstance of exact reference of quote:

in the Encyclical Letter Providentissimus Deus, published on November 18 in the year 1893,

predicate of main clause, verb and the rest:

justly and rightly condemned these errors and safe-guarded the studies of the Divine Books by most wise precepts and rules.

Here is, if you care, "Fr" Spitzer, and he's misrepresenting Divino Afflante Spiritu a few seconds before four minutes in: Catholic Priest Releasing The ONLY Science Study Bible EVER/HGL

No Local or Regional Flood, and the Ark wasn't Built in a Valley

I'll resume watching the video after posting below. This blog is actually not the one for the format here, though the subject matches, see links below.

Flood Expert Explains the True Power of Noah’s Flood
Creation Ministries International | 11 June 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AouVa_zjFtE

12:47 Definition.

A Tsunami is coming in towards some kind of coastline, right?

If this is the case, the Ark never faced one. During 40 days, Tsunamis were reducing whatever land there was below that very high mountain as high or higher than any other on Earth, and when it hit it, all coastlines were gone, and the Tsunami violence had been replaced by underwater turbulence ... which didn't touch the Ark at all or at least for long, since that's when water mounted above the waterline of the Ark, 15 cubits up.

I don't think the Ark was built to face Tsunamis coming in, and that's a good reason to deny a regional Flood, since it was precisely the "global Ocean" that put loads of calmer water between the Ark and the turbulence from the moment the Ark started floating or not long after.

13:23 Ah, OK, Tsunamis in that sense, that don't break, these the Ark would have survived once it had been kept at bay from the breakers for the first 40 days.

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More content in this format, link to video and comments, sometimes on side issues, on the blogs: Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere (ENG) Wherein the label Creation Ministries International. Répliques Assorties (FR) Antworten nach Sorte (DE)

Some Pretend the Ages of Patriarchs are Symbolic

For Genesis 5, one can state that the names have a symbolism.

Adam Seth Enosh Kenan — man appointed mortal sorrow
Mahalalel Jared — [but] Blessed-God [shall] come-down
Enoch — teaching [that/and]
Mathusela Lamech Noakh — his-death-shall-bring the afflicted comfort.

But I have not found any symbolism in their ages ... prior to today.

Nr	Patriarch	Age	Nr	Patriarch	Age	Nr	Patriarch	Age
1	Adam	930	10	Noah	950	19	Terah	205
2	Seth	912	11	Shem	600	20	Abraham	175
3	Enosh	905	12	Arpachshad	438	21	Isaac	180
4	Kenon	910	13	Shelah	433	22	Jacob	147
5	Mehalalel	895	14	Eber	464	23	Levi	137
6	Jared	962	15	Peleg	239	24	Kohath	133
7	Enoch	365	16	Reu	239	25	Amram	137
8	Methuselah	969	17	Serug	230	26	Moses	120
9	Lamech	777	18	Nahor	148	TOTAL 12,600

Horisontally from the table, rather than in order
930 + 950 + 205 + 912 + 600 + 175 + 905 + 438 + 180 + 910 + 433 + 147 + 895 + 464 + 137 + 962 + 239 + 133 + 365 + 239 + 137 + 969 + 230 + 120 + 777 + 148 = 12 600

So, the total, which seems to have some kind of Apocalyptic significance .... which it has:

And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 11:3]

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her a thousand two hundred sixty days.
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 12:6]

So, some have pretended the ages of the patriarchs are symbolic.

The only three symbolisms detectable to us are 365, 777 and the total 12,600. Of these, 365 would not have been detectable as a symbolism in the day back then, at least not the same symbolism as it has to us. Then 777 is disputed between the text versions, like the LXX disagrees:

And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and fifty-three years, and he died.
καὶ ἐγένοντο πᾶσαι αἱ ἡμέραι Λάμεχ ἑπτακόσια καὶ πεντήκοντα τρία ἔτη, καὶ ἀπέθανε.

The total would also be affected by including the second Kenon whom most LXX manuscripts include. And the total would only be known to total geeks and not even all of them.

Confer the meanings of the names. The Genesis is clearly older than the New Testament, one can get that from Qumrân, from the scrolls there. We rightly presume it is way older than the Apocalyptic literature in question. However, there were in the Qumrân scrolls diverse versions, some agreeing with LXX readings in Genesis 5 or 11 or both. The choice Jews made of the reading of Vulgate and Masoretic may have been to get this total. But the choice was made after Christ came and they had rejected him, probably to counter an argument made by St. Paul by presenting Shem as identic to Melchisedec, which is chronologically impossible with a LXX reading for Genesis 11.

I'm not sure that a similar total cannot be reached by adding up LXX or near-LXX figures.

Now, the other symbolism, the names, clearly was unknown to the first redactors of the text. Or known only prophetically. Humanly speaking, the redactor cannot have known the match with Christian theology ...

The total of the ages may be symbolic and if so prophetic or implied in a wrongful text choice. But this still leaves no indication for individual lifespans of Patriarchs having been chosen for symbolic reasons. Anyone who says the six days in Genesis 1 are just symbolism is wrong, but he may have a kind of rhetoric point. Anyone who says that the ages of patriarchs in Genesis 5 and 11 are just symbolism, apart from making a frontal attack on the veracity of the text itself, lacks even an arithmetic point.

So, wikipedia doesn't give the whole context of Jeremy Northcote, "The lifespans of the patriarchs: Schematic orderings in the chrono-genealogy", Vetus Testamentum, pp. 243-257, esp. 245, 247. The following paragraphs, surrounding the table I just quoted, summarise this writing from 2007.

The following table lists all the ages of the patriarchs from Adam to Moses as listed in the Bible. These add up to 12,600.

[table as above]

The value of 12,600 is a variant of the symbolic value of 1,260 known from apocalyptic theology (although may derive from earlier traditions), only multiplied by ten. The patriarchal ages were selected in order to achieve this numerological total. Another example of the numerical schema of 12,600 can be found in the War Scroll discovered at Qumran, where "the Sons of Light shall fight against the Sons of Darkness in the final days for a period of 35 years. Employing the Jewish luni-solar calendar of the 360-day year, 35 years equals 12,600 days."

So, out of fifteen pages, the wikipedians cited mainly two, and condensed them to this. Also:

Variations of the three and a half years result in other numerological values. For example, three and a half years correspond to 42 months or 1,260 days. Thus, both 42 and 1,260 have numerological use in the Bible. The three and a half symbol as appearing in the Bible may derive from the Babylonian calendar.

and:

The apocalyptic numeral derived from the length of 42 months (=3.5 years) is seen in numerous contexts. Northcote writes "In Num xxxiii, forty-two stages are listed between Egypt and the Promised Land, and the LXX version of Josh v 6 states that the Israelites spent forty-two years wandering in the wilderness ... [and] according to Matt i 17, forty-two generations elapsed from Abraham to the birth of Jesus".

So, first, while the paragraphs around the table may suggest a wholesale fabrication of the genealogies for symbolic reasons, it's on Jeremy Northcote's presumable intention more like doing a rounding and then fitting the items to make the rounded total exact. I say this intention is presumable, because I have not actually read the fifteen pages, just the above extracts on the wikipedian article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_numerology

To which I got because some people in the shop presumably wanted to test me for hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia as related to the bar codes. I try to avoid scanning them myself. And before you speak of pathology in a man who simply renounces the merchandise and walks out when a cashier is not available, how about the swastikaphobes who have banded about that man, not because he's actually a National Socialist, but because he has some things in common with them, which to their taste has been too much. A camp survivor may take some kind of measures about the neighbourhood, along with younger folks, but the things I've seen look more like the neighbourhood (with those camp survivors) doing their private investigation on my "National Socialism" and deciding to censor me world wide for common readers, the kind that actually earn an author money.

Meanwhile, this is another fail for a certain NinjaMonkeyPrime or similar minded persons, the named person's youtube account being used to tell me "When observations of reality conflict with the mythology of scripture, an honest person would realize that the mythology wasn't intended to be taken literally." The ages of the patriarchs don't borrow themselves to be read any other way. And especially not as Deep Timers have two different beefs with them. They will both pretend that each patriarch lived, if at all, a much shorter time, and that the total of generations spans a much longer time. Those types of quibbles have as little place for a Catholic believer that the Bible is inerrant, as Methodist pilpuls have for a Catholic banner of contraception.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St. Margaret of Scotland
10.VI.2026

[16 Novembris] Edimburgi, in Scotia, natalis sanctae Margaritae Viduae, Scotorum Reginae, amore in pauperes et voluntaria paupertate celebris. Ipsius tamen festivitas quarto Idus Junii celebratur.
[10 Junii] Sanctae Margaritae Viduae, Scotorum Reginae, quae sextodecimo Kalendas Decembris obdormivit in Domino.

Before Babel

26 Scientists Re-analyzed the Younger Dryas Layer — What They Found Beneath It Ends the Debate
Lost Engineering | 6 juin 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOyuDKRaxfQ

12 800 BP to 11 600 BP = 10 851 BC to 9651 BC.

What does this mean? First in terms of real, Biblical chronology:

Beginning:

2634 BC

37.009 pmC, dated as 10,851 BC

End between:

2621 BC

40.229 pmC, dated as 10,148 BC

2608 BC

43.443 pmC, 9500 BC*

Weighted medium (3:1), here:

(2621 + 2608 + 2608 + 2608) / 4 = 2611.25

(40.229 + 43.443 + 43.443 + 43.443) / 4 = 42.6395

Carbon** year:

5730 * log(0.426395) / log(0.5) + 2611.25 = 9658 BC

So, 10 851 to 9658 BC in carbon years are in reality 2634 to 2611 BC, 23 years. I'm not sure about you, but to me this seems like a sudden impact.

As to the megafauna, Nimrod had already been hunting that. It hadn't had that long time since the Deluge to spread, 2957 to 2634 is 323 years. The impact and black mat could have been God's punishment for a sin of his, or one he made himself coresponsible of.

Let's cite Josephus, Antiquities, Book I, chapter 4, second paragraph:

Now it was Nimrod who excited them to such an affront and contempt of God. He was the grandson of Ham, the son of Noah, a bold man, and of great strength of hand. He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God, as if it was through his means they were happy, but to believe that it was their own courage which procured that happiness. He also gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his power. He also said he would be revenged on God, if he should have a mind to drown the world again; for that he would build a tower too high for the waters to be able to reach! and that he would avenge himself on God for destroying their forefathers!

"He also said he would be revenged on God" ... not just revenged, perhaps ... "if he should have a mind to drown the world again;" ... words, I think, that may have sounded more credible and urgent after the Younger Dryas Impact.

I would say, Babel began as kind of a Civilisation of Love, but one cut off from God.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
II Lord's Day after Pentecost
7.VI.2026

* Table excerpts, near top:

Newer Tables, Flood to Joseph in Egypt
Christmas Eve, 2024
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2024/12/newer-tables-flood-to-joseph-in-egypt.html

** Formula, near bottom:

Newer Tables, Preliminaries
Christmas Eve, 2024
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2024/12/newer-tables-preliminaries.html

Answering Shaun Doyle on Geocentrism

Today's article on CMI deals with Aliens.

I'm basically not in disagreement on that issue. However, it's a feedback, with questioner and Shaun taking up the issue of Geocentrism.

Aliens and the Bible
By Shaun Doyle | Published 29 Sep, 2018 | Updated 01 May, 2026
https://creation.com/en/articles/aliens-and-the-bible

Here is some sloppy history in the questioner:

The ancient Greeks invented the geocentric view of the universe centuries before Christ. Much later, while there was still no better scientific explanation yet available, the Church tried to interpret scripture in light of the geocentric view. ... However, when the heliocentric view became accepted, the marriage of scripture to the geocentric view became a problem. For those who believe and trust in the Lord, it was simply a matter of adjustment to biblical interpretation to account for new knowledge. ...

Here is the part of Shaun's answer that deals with this:

And on these potential conflicts between science and the Bible, each ‘conflict’ must be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Geocentrism within the Bible was indeed an interpretive overreach, since the Scriptures underdetermine commitment to a geocentric cosmology. Many people think the conflict between Genesis and deep time is likewise merely apparent. We disagree. Why? Unlike the geocentrism issue, there is no other proper way to read the relevant biblical texts, and much of the Bible’s theology of redemption hangs on the historical chronology and event sequence of Genesis 1–11 (The Galileo excuse). We’re saying that the same applies to the existence of aliens. Indeed, many of the biblical theological themes that rule out pre-Adamic people (a major issue in the origins debate) also rule out the existence of sentient aliens for the same reasons. Salvation is in the last Adam, meaning that salvation only pertains to Adamites. That rules out both pre-Adamites and sentient aliens. Thus, it’s not that we regard aliens as “not worth considering”; it’s that we have considered them, and regard them as conflicting with Scripture.

Now, first, you are aware how crucial sentient and intelligent aliens are to the historical acceptance of Heliocentrism?

No?

Check out Kepler's Somnium (dream, in translation). He gives an astronomy that uses the Moon as inertial frame and takes that for absolute reality, then makes the point this is just an inertial frame, and therefore, so is geocentric astronomy.

The problem is, he forgot to prove Selenites actually exist. H. G. Wells provided that (or if it was for Martians) in The War of the Worlds. To imagination, that is. Not quite as much to solid reason, mind you. Since then, George Lucas reprovided it for, inter alia, Tatooinites. So, one thing I sometimes bring up is, if you can trace the story of Star Wars to a spaceship coming from Tatooine, you basically have a Magellan style proof for modern cosmology, including Heliocentrism in relation to all bodies of the solar system.

This didn't stop Euler from nearly reusing the argument in ... looking up Euler als "Astronom" on my German blog ... in "59:sten Brief, vom 17. Sept. 1760."

The closest fix star, as I have proven, is at least 400 000 times further away than the Sun is, and all of them, are like the sun made to have orbitting around them planets which, not unlike our earth, are no doubt all meant to be inhabited.

That one didn't age too well, did it?

4 light years = 37 842 113 600 000 000 m / AU = 149 597 870 700 m = 252 958.9 times, a bit more than half of 400 000. When I say the distance is only 173 times the AU, I'm referring to my own conclusion that the fix stars are one light day up.

But Euler actually gives another argument too. Physical necessity. Newton gives the two-body problem, Euler adds that the gravitation of the fix stars can be left unaccounted for, since too small, then says that there isn't really any many-body problem, since the Sun makes each planet involved in a two body problem which can leave out all of the other planets. In other words, the real argument is, Geocentrism wouldn't work, physically, as a result of gravitation and inertia.

The point is, I agree.

We observe Geocentrism, it wouldn't work as a result of gravitation and inertia alone, it's artistic and therefore needs an agent who can decide with comprehension, not just blind forces that can cause without deciding to do so.

This brings us to a point about the Biblical proof texts for Geocentrism. Did Shaun Doyle include these two? Here:

The man went his way, and told the Jews, that it was Jesus who had made him whole Therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, because he did these things on the sabbath But Jesus answered them: My Father worketh until now; and I work
[John 5:15-17]

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable
[Romans 1:18-20]

What exact work or act of God is indisputably done on a Sabbath? And what exact visible phenomenon can show both that God is Lord of the entire universe, not just locally, and that His power is inexhaustible?

Upholding the universe in existence? Some would argue God put existence into matter so it stays in existence over a Sabbath. And some would not attribute existence as such to God in the first place.

The code of DNA? Not visible to the naked eye since the beginning of creation. And as codes aren't switched every day within an organism, upholding it also doesn't show as done on a Sabbath.

The solar days is c. 5 minutes slower than the stellar day. 24 h precisely for the solar day (because the equinoctial hour is precisely 1/24 of it). 23 h. 56 min. 4. sth sec. ... that's the time between two occasions when Sirius or α Centauri or Vega or whatever are at zenit over a given location. It's not just the Sun and Moon that move, it's th stars way outside them too (plus a few more stars that aren't tied to the sidereal day, but which wander over the zodiac, they are, like Sun and Moon, called planets).

The exegetic solution that might fix Joshua 10:13 would backfire on these two items. And what about Joshua 10:12? Here we are not told what the Sun and Moon did, and would have looked like doing even if it was actually Earth that did the reverse. We are told what Sun and Moon were supposed to do, and we are not told that Earth was supposed to do anything. And as Joshua uttered the words after a prayer, we can presume God inspired him to these exact words.

Many Heliocentric supposed Catholics (some of them with real devotion and belief in all the mainly talked of dogmas, like all of Denzinger, who left out the 1633 decision, but they are not accepting Pope Michael II) will pretend that Pope Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus defined that phenomenal language was the key to all Geocentric proof texts in the Bible. No, he didn't. He mentioned phenomenal language as a possible key in reconciling the Bible and science, but he definitely did not decide on what issues this was the good key.

Again, Benedict XV is reputed to have confirmed this "koshering" of Heliocentrism in Spiritus Paraclitus from 15th Sept. 1920. Again, he refrained from deciding what issues this applied to or what exegesis the Church had on Joshua 10:12 or John 5 or Romans 1. I've read both of the encyclicals and neither made such a decision. Or directly on Geocentrism or Heliocentrism.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St. Simon of Trier
1.VI.2026

Treviris sancti Simeonis Monachi, qui a Benedicto Papa Nono in Sanctorum numerum relatus est.