Wadi Hammeh, Not Babel

Wadi Hammeh is just East of the Jordan River, so not in Sinear if that means Mesopotamia.

Wadi Hammeh is in Pella, Jordan, where the Church of Jerusalem fled. They also came back from there, after the Roman smash fest was over and so made them ancestral to Jerusalem's Christian Palestinians.

So, if Wadi Hammeh is not Babel and Göbekli Tepe or possibly Karahan Tepe is, how much older is Wadi Hammeh?

I'm using the

Newer Tables, Flood to Joseph in Egypt
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2024/12/newer-tables-flood-to-joseph-in-egypt.html

which presume that Babel is Göbekli Tepe, and that the Exodus was in 1510 BC. As well as 480 years from Exodus to Temple being a minimum time span off by decades, rather than telescoping timespans in the Judges.

Now, if Babel began 350 after the Flood, when Noah died, or soon after, and is Göbekli Tepe, Wadi Hammeh is obviously earlier, but how much earlier?

Wadi Hammeh 27 is a Late Epipalaeolithic archaeological site in Pella, Jordan. It consists of the remains of a large settlement dating to the Early Natufian period, about 14,500 to 14,000 years ago.

So, 12,500 BC. In Carbon dates.

2660 BC

30.555 pmC, dated as 12,461 BC

...

2608 BC

43.443 pmC, 9500 BC

Wadi Hammeh was 52 years older (or just a little more) than Babel. Could it be where Noah went the last years? Could this be the place where he drank too much wine? And how compatible are the fifty years with "severalgenerations" mentioned in the article?

The people of the Natufian culture were nomadic foragers, but at Wadi Hammeh 27 they built large, durable dwellings that were maintained and revisited over many generations.

Let's see the arguments in the source article, shall we?

Ice Age villagers of the Levant: renewed excavations at the Natufian site of Wadi Hammeh 27, Jordan
Phillip C. Edwards, 2015
https://www.antiquity.ac.uk/projgall/edwards347

The Natufian has been claimed as an example of pre-agricultural sedentism, but the length and frequency of its habitations remain unclear. One issue is that, for the majority of sites, long-term occupation of a single locale by hunter-gatherers would deplete food resources (cf. Munro 2004).

Would fifty years be too much?

These concerns are the focus of a new La Trobe University project (Edwards 2014) entitled ‘Ice Age villagers of the Levant: sedentism and social connections in the Natufian period’, directed by the author and co-directed by Louise Shewan (Monash University/University of Warwick) and John Webb (La Trobe University). In order to achieve the project’s aims, the new excavations are intent on stripping away more of the overlying deposits of phases 2 and 3 at Wadi Hammeh 27 to expose the basal travertine layer (phase 4), where human burials are situated in rock-cut pits (Webb & Edwards 2013).

Would the overlying deposits be a way of covering those there buried?

The first series of excavations, conducted in the 1980s, focused on the site’s uppermost deposits in phase 1 (Edwards 2013). A small sounding (XX F sondage) made at that time also demonstrated occupational continuity between the superimposed phases and the community memory of a sub-site burial by the building of successive cairns and other markers.

That's obviously, for 50 years, less impressive than for 3000 years.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Ember Saturday of Pentecost
14.VI.2025

Did the Jomon People Arrive to Japan in Pre-Flood Times?

I pose the question in a provocative way.

Some are now taking the peopling of Japan as starting in 40 000 BP, which, if true, would be somewhat annoying for me, since I pose the Flood in 37 000 BC. Carbon date wise, of course, in fact only as far back as 2957 BC.

If this were true, it would be some kind of stretching of the matches, it would force me to ask if sometimes, even apart from the reservoir effect, something post 2957 BC could date to carbon years previous to 39 000 BP.

However, the idea of Jomon people arriving in Japan c. 40 000 years ago comes from the Tategahana Paleolithic site in Nojiri-ko.

Here is the article I first found about it:

Geology and Quaternary environments of the Tategahana Paleolithic site in Nojiri-ko (Lake Nojiri), Nagano, central Japan
Y. Kondo et al. | Dec. 2017
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1040618217300307

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quaint.2017.12.012

What do I find?

Fossils of animals. An assemblage which is suggestive of human interference. Carbon dates from 37.9–60.4 ka. And, manmade tools.

What do I not find?

People of similar anatomy or genes or both to the actual human skeleta from the Jomon period proper. Or any people at all, for that matter. Dogus, a cultural artefact typical of Jomon culture. And this after nine excavations, by 1984.

What height is it?

The water level of Nojiri-ko is at an altitude of 657 m above sea level, with the deepest point at 38.5 m, and it covers an area of 4.5 km2

So, not too high to be a pre-Flood item or water added to a pre-Flood item.

How do I analyse this?

Men of unknown ethnicity (Homo sapiens, Neanderthals, Denisovans, Homo erectus) meddled with this ground and its fauna in pre-Flood times. The Flood did not destroy it, but surrounded it by volcanos. Arguably no one came just after the Flood, only at the actual start of the accepted Jomon period.

Carbon dated 14,000 BC is when?

2686 BC

24.08 pmC, dated as 14,456 BC

2673 BC

27.32 pmC, dated as 13,399 BC

So, some time between 2686 and 2673 BC. After Heber was born. Before Noah died and Babel began.

(2686 + 2673) / 2 = 2679.5 BC
(24.08 + 27.32) / 2 = 25.7 pmC

5730 * log(0.257) / log(0.5) + 2679.5 = 13 911 BC

If 2679 "and a half" brings us near 100 years after the date we seek, the real date would be sth like 2680 BC. Clearly post-Flood.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Monday of Pentecost Novena
2.VI.2025

PS, there were actually by now 20 excavations:

In the 20th excavation, conducted in 2014, which involved about 200 people, more than 750 pieces of fossils and archaeological remains were discovered and sediment samples for microfossil study were collected.

Still no human remains. Still no Dogus./HGL