1) Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : Osgood and the Dating of Abraham? And I am Wrong on Fibonacci Table · 2) Creation vs. Evolution : Recalibrating the Fibonacci Table, acc. to Abraham in Chalcolithic En Gedi · 3) If Göbekli Tepe is Tower of Babel ...
Since first of all, GT is dated between 11,328 BC and 8138 BC, we'll make a new midpoint between the corresponding real years.
- I, Flood, 2957 BC
- 3.461 % = + 27,800 years, 30,757 BC
- II 2868 BC
- 25.175 % = + 11,400 years, 14,268 BC
- III 2778 BC
- 35.648 % = + 8550 years, 11,328 BC
- Mid pt.2733 BC
- 43.7465 % + 6850 years, 9583 BC
- IV 2688 BC
- 51.849 % = + 5450 years, 8138 BC
- V 2599 BC
- 55.595 % = + 4850 years, 7449 BC
- VI 2510 BC
- 64.896 % = + 3550 years, 6060 BC
- VII 2420 BC
- 67.924 % = + 3200 years, 5620 BC
- VIII 2330 BC
- 74.14 % = + 2450 years, 4780 BC
- IX 2241 BC
- 76.429 % = + 2200 years, 4441 BC
- X 2152 BC
- 80.224 % = + 1800 years, 3952 BC
- XI 2062 BC
- 81.138 % = + 1750 years, 3812 BC
- XII 1972 BC
- 83.33 % = + 1500 years, 3472 BC
- Mid pt. 1928 BC
- 83.689 % + 1472 years, 3400 BC
- XIII 1883 BC
- 84.882 %, + 1350 years, 3233 BC
- XIV 1794 BC
- 89.378 %, + 930 years, 2724 BC
- XV 1704 BC
- 90.86 %, + 790 years, 2494 BC
- XVI 1614 BC
- 93.634 %, + 540 years, 2154 BC
- XVII 1525 BC
- 94.553 %, + 460 years, 1985 BC
- XVIII 1436 BC
- 96.269 %, + 310 years, 1746 BC
- XIX 1346 BC
- 96.839 %, + 270 years, 1616 BC
- XX 1256 BC
- 97.895 %, + 180 years, 1436 BC
- XXI 1167 BC
- 98.245 %, + 150 years, 1317 BC
- XXII 1078 BC
- 98.905 %, + 90 years, 1168 BC
- XXIII 988 BC
- 99.125 %, + 70 years, 1058 BC
- XXIV 898 BC
- 99.52 %, + 40 years, 938 BC
- XXV 809 BC
- 99.652 %, + 30 years, 839 BC
- XXVI 720 BC
- 99.872 %, + 10 years, 730 BC
- XXVII 630 BC
- 100.004 %, 0 ans ±. 630 BC
Calculating above new midpoint:
2778 35.648
2688 51.849
5466 87.497
2733 43.7465 % + 6850 years, 6850+2733=9583 BC
2733+2017=4750 years, after which we have 56.293 % left.
56.293 % * 43.7465 % = 24.626217245 %, dated to 11600 years ago, or 9583 BC.
Is 2733 BC a good Biblical date for Tower of Babel?
Jews have this:
http://www.thenagain.info/WebChron/Judaism/Judaism.html
2161 BC Flood, 1765 BC Dispersion after Babel.
2161
1765
0396 Babel 396 after Flood.
Old Earth has this:
http://www.oldearth.org/biblicaldating.htm
Eber is 34 when Pelag is born, 101
Pelag is 30 when Reu is born, 131
Pelag lived to be 209, 310
"Using this chart, the Flood must have happened a minimum of 101 years prior to the Tower of Babel. If the split at the Tower was caused by God near the time of Pelag’s birth, this would lend support to his father, Eber, naming him after this event. However, we can’t be certain of this. The only thing we know with any degree of certainty is that it happened during Peleg’s lifetime. Therefore, it could have happened as much as 310 years after the flood. Thus we have a range for the Flood of 101 to 310 years prior to the Tower of Babel. It is interesting to note that since Noah lived 350 years after the flood, he was alive when the Tower of Babel occurred."
Their next sentence is of course totally off:
"Adding this to our minimum age of 30,000 to 45,000 years, and we come up with a range of 30,101 to 45,310 years ago for Noah's Flood."
There is no such minimum age after the Babel event, the "mutation clock" or "DNA clock" is off.
But they say Dispersion occurred while Peleg was alive. On Masoretic and KJV (also I think Vulgate and Douay Rheims) that is 101-310 after Flood.
A LXX version, but not the text of St Jerome, has:
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2015/11/longevity-charts-as-per-lxx.html
Peleg 529 - 868
2957
2733
0224
2957 2957 2957 2957 2957
0101 0310 0396 0529 0868
2856 2667 2561 2428 2089
Medium 2520 BC.
Here a page gives 2197 BC for ToB, but:
http://timeline.biblehistory.com/event/tower-of-babel-division-of-earth
same site
http://timeline.biblehistory.com/period/noah-and-the-flood
says Noah was born 2898 BC. This places Flood in 2298 BC, and 2197 BC as 101 after Flood - already covered, the theory Peleg was born 101 after Flood (anti-LXX), and named after an occurring event about Babel, rather than for instance about Noah's righteous and human division of men.
It is also possible that Peleg's division of the Earth was earlier than Tower of Babel:
https://biblescienceguy.wordpress.com/2013/04/03/4-tower-of-babel-when/
"Archbisop Ussher (1581–1656) proposed that Peleg’s Division was Noah’s division of the earth among his grandchildren in an effort to disperse them as God had commanded. However, they all subsequently moved to Shinar, where they resisted dispersion by building the city and tower of Babel. This is a plausible understanding of Peleg’s Division, but less likely in my opinion. Noah’s presumed attempt to divide the land among his descendants does not seem a significant enough event to warrant naming a child to commemorate it. Why would Eber want to name a son to commemorate a dispersal command that he resisted?"
Well, for one, Eber probably was not resisting it, Hebrews were avoiding to paticipate in Tower of Babel, that is why they kept their language. He can have named his son as a reminder to the rest they were doing wrong.
So, Peleg may even be before Tower of Babel.
This is especially encouraging for those who would not identify Tower of Babel with Göbekli Tepe.
All of this should be discouraging to those who on the one hand think most dated dinosaur fossils, and carbon and diamonds, are from Flood, but on the other hand think that Tower of Babel was in Peleg's day and also think it's sth as recent as the Ziggurat of Ur, as per Woolley's identification.
While Ussher says Peleg was named for other thing than the division at Babel, however that is placed not far after the birth of Peleg :
Here:
http://nwcreation.net/towerofbabel.html
The approximate date of its building Tammuz 1762 AM) is given by James Ussher, who in The Annals of the World cites Manetho's Book of Sothis, as translated by Georgius Syncellus, as stating that the Babel incident took place five years following the birth year of Peleg.
I found Syncellus.
https://ia801406.us.archive.org/1/items/chronographia01syncgoog/chronographia01syncgoog.pdf
[ for other formats : https://archive.org/details/chronographia01syncgoog ]
In his brevior computus (a German translated his Greek into Latin, good for me, in 1829, Bonn, I think) has Tower of Babel (Opificium Turris Babylon) at Anno Mundi 2736, after Arphaxad died in Anno Mundi 2733. But the confusion 40 years later. 2776.
2423 BC if we take 5199-2776. But 5508-2776=2732.
So, since Syncellus is giving the 5508 date of Birth of Christ, I think, this leaves us asking whether the discrepancy is before or after ToB. If after, Dispersion of Tongues was 2423 BC. If however before, between Flood and ToB, the BC dates are the same whether we use the 5508 or the 5199 chronology.
And so, ToB would either chronology be 2732 = my mid point 2733, which is in part of building of Göbekli Tepe.
The problem is, GT would be abandoned quickly after the Dispersion. So, 2733 BC should be the 8600 BC date. Not 9600 BC.
- I, Flood, 2957 BC
- 3.461 % = + 27,800 years, 30,757 BC
- II 2868 BC
- 25.175 % = + 11,400 years, 14,268 BC
- III 2778 BC
- 35.648 % = + 8550 years, 11,328 BC
- Mid pt.2733 BC
- 43.7465 % + 6850 years, 9583 BC
- Corrected 2733 BC
- 49.279 % + 5850 years, 8583 BC
Which gives us:
49.279 % / 43.7465 % = 1.1264672602379619
- I, Flood, 2957 BC
- 3.461 % => 1.1264672602379619*3.461 % = 3.8987 %
- 3.8987 %, + 26 800 years, 29 757 BC
- II 2868 BC
- 25.175 % => 1.1264672602379619*25.175 % = 28.3588 %
- 28.3588 %, + 10 400 years, 13 268 BC
- III 2778 BC
- 35.648 % => 1.1264672602379619*35.648 % = 40.1563 %
- 40.1563 %, + 7550 years, 10 328 BC
- Mid pt.2733 BC
- 49.279 % + 5850 years, 8583 BC
- Now, here is another recalculation
- 100-49.279 = 50.721 %
- 100-43.7465 = 56.2535 %
50.721 % / 56.2535 % = 0.9016505639649089
BUT this cannot be applied all the way to Mid pt. 1928 BC.
- 100-43.7465 = 56.2535 %
- There, the ratio must be 1:
- 100-83.689= 16.311 %
- 100-83.689= 16.311 %
- 16.311/16.311=1
- 100-83.689= 16.311 %
This is 18 steps (subdividing now) ahead of Mid pt.2733 BC.
1-0.9016505639649089=0.0983494360350911
0.0983494360350911/18=0.0054638575575050611
This ranges the diverse portions from 1) 1-0.0928855784775860387 to 17) 1-0.0054638575575050611.
1 0.9071144215224139613
2 0.9125782790799190224
3 0.9180421366374240835
4 0.9235059941949291446
5 0.9289698517524342057
6 0.9344337093099392668
7 0.9398975668674443279
8 0.945361424424949389
9 0.9508252819824544501
10 0.9562891395399595112
11 0.9617529970974645723
12 0.9672168546549696334
13 0.9726807122124746945
14 0.9781445697699797556
15 0.9836084273274848167
16 0.9890722848849898778
17 0.9945361424424949389
- Mid pt.2733 BC
- 49.279 % + 5850 years, 8583 BC
- 1) IV 2688 BC
- 100-51.849 % => 43.6785 %
- 100-43.6785 % = 56.3215 %, + 4750 years, 7438 BC
- 2) IV-V 2644 BC
- 100-53.722 % => 42.2323 %
- 100-42.2323 % = 57.7677 %, + 4550 years, 7194 BC
- 3) V 2599 BC
- 100-55.595 % => 40.7657 %
- 100-40.7657 % = 59.2343 %, + 4350 years, 6949 BC
- 4) V-VI 2554 BC
- 100-60.2455 % => 36.7135 %
- 100-36.7135 % = 63.2865 %, + 3800 years, 6354 BC
- 5) VI 2510 BC
- 100-64.896 % => 32.6106 %
- 100-32.61056 % = 67.3894 %, + 3250 years, 5760 BC
- 6) VI-VII 2465 BC
- 100-66.41 % => 31.3876 %
- 100-31.3876 % = 68.6124 %, + 3100 years, 5565 BC
- 7) VII 2420 BC
- 100-67.924 % => 30.1482 %
- 100-30.1482 % = 69.8518 %, + 2950 years, 5370 BC
- 8) VII-VIII 2375 BC
- 100-71.032 % => 27.3852 %
- 100-27.3852 % = 72.6148 %, + 2650 years, 5025 BC
- 9) VIII 2330 BC
- 100-74.14 % => 24.5883 %
- 100-24.5883 % = 75.4116 %, + 2350 years, 4680 BC
- 10) VIII-IX 2286 BC
- 100-75.2845 % => 23.6352 %
- 100-23.6352 % = 76.3648 %, + 2250 years, 4536 BC
- 11) IX 2241 BC
- 100-76.429 % => 22.6695 %
- 100-22.6695 % = 77.3305 %, + 2150 years, 4391 BC
- 12) IX-X 2196 BC
- 100-78.3265 % => 20.963 %
- 100-20.963 % = 79.037 %, + 1950 years, 4146 BC
- 13) X 2152 BC
- 100-80.224 % => 19.2357 %
- 100-19.2357 % = 80.7643 %, + 1750 years, 3902 BC
- 14) X-XI 2107 BC
- 100-80.681 % => 18.8968 %
- 100-18.8968 % = 81.1032 %, + 1750 years, 3857 BC
- 15) XI 2062 BC
- 100-81.138 % => 18.5528 %
- 100-18.5528 % = 81.4472 %, + 1700 years, 3762 BC
- 16) XI-XII 2017 BC
- 100-82.234 % => 17.5719 %
- 100-17.5719 % = 82.4281 %, + 1600 years, 3617 BC
- 17) XII 1972 BC
- 100-83.33 % => 16.5789 %
- 100-16.5789 % = 83.4211 %, + 1500 years, 3472 BC
- 18) Mid pt. 1928 BC
- 83.689 % + 1472 years, 3400 BC
Let's clean up a bit, we will also combine the parts we changed and the one we didn't change:
- I, Flood, 2957 BC
- 3.8987 %, + 26 800 years, 29 757 BC
- II 2868 BC
- 28.3588 %, + 10 400 years, 13 268 BC
- III 2778 BC
- 40.1563 %, + 7550 years, 10 328 BC
- Mid pt.2733 BC
- 49.279 % + 5850 years, 8583 BC
- IV 2688 BC
- 56.3215 %, + 4750 years, 7438 BC
- IV b 2644 BC
- 57.7677 %, + 4550 years, 7194 BC
- V 2599 BC
- 100-40.7657 % = 59.2343 %, + 4350 years, 6949 BC
- V b 2554 BC
- 63.2865 %, + 3800 years, 6354 BC
- VI 2510 BC
- 100-64.896 % => 32.6106 %
- 100-32.61056 % = 67.3894 %, + 3250 years, 5760 BC
- VI b 2465 BC
- 68.6124 %, + 3100 years, 5565 BC
- VII 2420 BC
- 69.8518 %, + 2950 years, 5370 BC
- VII b 2375 BC
- 72.6148 %, + 2650 years, 5025 BC
- VIII 2330 BC
- 75.4116 %, + 2350 years, 4680 BC
- VIII b 2286 BC
- 76.3648 %, + 2250 years, 4536 BC
- IX 2241 BC
- 77.3305 %, + 2150 years, 4391 BC
- IX b 2196 BC
- 79.037 %, + 1950 years, 4146 BC
- X 2152 BC
- 80.7643 %, + 1750 years, 3902 BC
- X b 2107 BC
- 81.1032 %, + 1750 years, 3857 BC
- XI 2062 BC
- 81.4472 %, + 1700 years, 3762 BC
- XI b 2017 BC
- 82.4281 %, + 1600 years, 3617 BC
- XII 1972 BC
- 83.4211 %, + 1500 years, 3472 BC
- Mid pt. 1928 BC
- 83.689 % + 1472 years, 3400 BC
- XIII 1883 BC
- 84.882 %, + 1350 years, 3233 BC
- XIV 1794 BC
- 89.378 %, + 930 years, 2724 BC
- XV 1704 BC
- 90.86 %, + 790 years, 2494 BC
- XVI 1614 BC
- 93.634 %, + 540 years, 2154 BC
- XVII 1525 BC
- 94.553 %, + 460 years, 1985 BC
- XVIII 1436 BC
- 96.269 %, + 310 years, 1746 BC
- XIX 1346 BC
- 96.839 %, + 270 years, 1616 BC
- XX 1256 BC
- 97.895 %, + 180 years, 1436 BC
- XXI 1167 BC
- 98.245 %, + 150 years, 1317 BC
- XXII 1078 BC
- 98.905 %, + 90 years, 1168 BC
- XXIII 988 BC
- 99.125 %, + 70 years, 1058 BC
- XXIV 898 BC
- 99.52 %, + 40 years, 938 BC
- XXV 809 BC
- 99.652 %, + 30 years, 839 BC
- XXVI 720 BC
- 99.872 %, + 10 years, 730 BC
- XXVII 630 BC
- 100.004 %, 0 ans ±. 630 BC
That should do for today, and if you have any other identification in archaeological time for Tower of Babel, or prefer the other date, 2423 BC, or one of the other ones, you have seen how I do it. These are my own preferences. If you'll do a table according to yours and publish it on freely accessible sites on the internet, I'll link to it.
Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
Day of St Agabus
13.II.2017
Credits, as usual, though I missed it last time, to :
http://web2.0calc.com/
and https://www.math.upenn.edu/~deturck/m170/c14/carbdate.html
which latter has short link http://ppt.li/3m8
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