Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Gary Bates' Egyptian Matches Bungle the Carbon Rise · Creation vs. Evolution: Egyptian Chronology Calibrated · Augustine and Origen each give us "two birds with one stone" · Carbon 14 and Egyptian Chronology, a Reply to Gary Bates
CMI gives the following for secular chronology of Egypt:
- Pre 3200 BC
- Predynastic/Prehistory
- 3200–2686 BC
- Early dynastic Period 1st–2nd
- 2686–2181 BC
- Old Kingdom 3rd–6th
- 2181–2055 BC
- 1st Intermediate Period 7th–10th
- 2055–1650 BC
- Middle Kingdom 11th–12th
- 1650–1550 BC
- 2nd Intermediate Period/Hyksos 13th(?)–17th
- 1550–1069 BC
- New Kingdom 18th–20th
- ... {omitting the rest, since my calibration is irrelevant from here on)
Egypt and the short Sojourn
Part 2: Historical support
by Robert Carter, Gary Bates
https://creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2
See also Part 1: A biblical analysis
https://creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1
This should be conferred with my calibration:
- 1935 B. Chr. (Genesis 14)
- 0.8273 pmC/100, so dated as 3485 B. Chr.
- Pre 3200 BC
- Predynastic/Prehistory
- 1845 B. Chr.
- 0.845892 pmC/100, so dated as 3245 B. Chr.
- 1823 B. Chr.
- 0.850509 pmC/100, so dated as 3173 B. Chr.
- 3200–2686 BC
- Early dynastic Period 1st–2nd
- 1700 B. Chr.
- 0.87575 pmC/100, so dated as 2800 B. Chr.
- 2686 - 1650 / 1700 - 1510 BC
- 2686–2181 BC / 1700 - 1633
- Old Kingdom 3rd–6th
- 1633 B. Chr.
- 0.933283 pmC/100, so dated as 2203 B. Chr.
- 2181–2055 BC / 1633 - 1610
- 1st Intermediate Period 7th–10th
- 1610 B. Chr.
- 0.952011 pmC/100, so dated as 2020 B. Chr.
- 2055–1650 BC / 1610 - 1510 BC
- Middle Kingdom 11th–12th
- 1521 B. Chr.
- 0.98184 pmC/100, so dated as 1671 B. Chr.
- 1510 BC
- Exodus event, as per Roman martyrology
- 1498 B. Chr.
- 0.98555 pmC/100, so dated as 1618 B. Chr.
- 1650–1550 BC / 1510 - 1470 BC
- 2nd Intermediate Period/Hyksos 13th(?)–17th
- 1476 B. Chr.
- 0.98924 pmC/100, so dated as 1566 B. Chr.
- 1470 BC
- real date for Jericho's fall, dated to 1550 by Kenyon
- 1550–1069 BC / 1470 - 1069 BC
- New Kingdom 18th–20th
Creation vs. Evolution : New Tables
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2020/08/new-tables.html
In a moment of fatigue and irritation, I had such a preference for French abbreviation "av. J.-Chr" that I chose a personal one for "Before Christ" rather than the one that's often pronounced BC.
In the calculations, I had used ordinary decimal fractions instead of per cents, and so the "0.98184 pmC/100" = 98.184 pmC/HGL
Obviously, my calibration uses a different alignment from theirs.
RépondreSupprimer"Joseph actually rode in a chariot and, thus, could not have been in Egypt prior to the 2IP"
RépondreSupprimer"[Gavin Cox] confirmed this with a search using the online Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae. Here I found 37 entries for vocabulary connected with chariots, or their parts, none of which occurs before the New Kingdom [which is immediately after the 2IP]. In other words, before the New Kingdom, there is no vocabulary to even describe what a chariot is, anywhere, in all the texts ever discovered by scholars in Egypt!"
If all mentions for chariot from New Kingdom on are only 37, lots of scribes writing "chariot" have had their papyri lost.
Similar reasonings have been used to "prove" - and CMI rightly disapproves of this - that Abraham couldn't have ridden camels and King David could have had no horsemen.
"Note Pharaoh’s request for an able sheepherder to look after his own flocks. This makes little sense if he was an Egyptian because, earlier, we read that sheepherders are an abomination to Egyptians."
RépondreSupprimerIt makes excellent sense if the pharao was above all a pragmatist. He would not have cared two cents for his own part that Israel by being a shepherd was an abomination, what counted was "fine, here's someone willing to do the work no one else does!"
On to:
RépondreSupprimerAugustine and Origen each give us "two birds with one stone"