samedi 23 mai 2020

Himalayas, bis ... and Pyrenees


Himalayas ... how fast did they rise? · Himalayas, bis ... and Pyrenees · ter · quater · quinquies ... double-checked

I was tired yesterday, and counted a day as 12 hours - which is correct in the sense where day is opposed to night. We are dealing with day in the sense of day and night:

6 115 mm : 365.2425 days = 16.742 mm / day = 0.698 mm / hour (if 8848 at Exodus);
9 393 mm : 365.2425 days = 25.717 mm / day = 1.072 mm / hour (if 8848 at Birth of Abraham);
22 065 mm : 365.2425 days = 60.412 mm / day = 2.517 mm / hour (if 8848 at that of Peleg, 401 after the Flood).

Other thing, in discussing with a friend I found Mt. Everest is still growing:

Quora : Why is the height of Mt.Everest increasing every year?
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-height-of-Mt-Everest-increasing-every-year


So, now it is 8850 m.

Obviously, this is lots slower than needed immediately after the Flood, if it started growing then.

9 393 mm : 4 mm = 2348.25 times slower
22 065 mm : 4 mm = 5516.25 times slower

Actually, CMI wrote about it back in 1990:

Everest is still rising

Mount Everest is nearly half a metre (1.5 feet) higher than when New Zealand mountaineer Sir Edmund Hillary climbed it in May 1953.


... conclusion given:

Everest’s height has been awkward to precisely measure because of the difficulty of determining mean sea-level under the mountain. Yet if the figure given in this report is correct, half an inch growth each year with no erosion puts Everest’s beginning at 697,872 years ago—not 10 million. This is using evolutionary (uniformitarian) assumptions and assuming the ground was flat to begin with. This gives no support to evolutionists’ claims that Everest is millions of years old.


From:

Focus: News of interest about creation and evolution
This article is from Creation 13(1):5–8, December 1990
https://creation.com/focus-131


Now, I put Soanian culture in pre-Flood and cited Patu industry in Nepal as early post-Flood human settlement. The book by Dupuis (2nd edition 1972), cites Burzahom in Kashmir as pre-neolithic settlement.

Carbon dating established that the Neolithic culture of this site was traceable to the 3rd millennium BC, the earliest occupation at the site was dated to before 2,357 BC.


Burzahom archaeological site : Period I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzahom_archaeological_site#Period_I


As Abraham was born in 2015 BC, this looks earlier than Abraham, but is in fact later : Abraham at about 80, in 1935 BC, fought at Sodom (Genesis 14), with events involving evacuation of treasures from Asason-Tamar or En-Geddi, which are carbon dated to 3500 BC. Joseph in Egypt would have, at c. 1700 BC have had Djoser as Pharao, since Egyptians recall him as Imhotep, and this gives a carbon date of 2600 or 2800 BC (I think 2800 is straight carbon and 2600 calibration, or based on king lists), meaning, Kashmir was settled as late as during the Israelites' stay in Egypt. Kot Diji style refers to an origin in Pakistan, outside Himalaya.

So, a very agitated Himalaya is feasible for early post-Flood centuries, since no men lived there. It would have had much less seismological impact than an equal speed now, since a huge part of the uplift would have started before full solidifying. When sediments and magma were muddy rather than solid.

The discrepancy I found as to procedure in the footnote, yesterday, will have to wait, it might be a bug.

I nearly forgot, Pyrenees was one purported reason given against universal Flood back among certain 19th C Catholics in France. Pyrenees are, supposedly, "much older" than Himalaya, and Pyrenees are also sufficiently high to have present quantities of water not cover all of the globe, if they had existed back then, which they concluded that they did. The idea was, all mountains started out like Alps, Himalayas, Andes, then some had more time to erode than others. I generally find John Ronald Reuel Tolkien a very intelligent man (for an Old Earth Creationist), but the most stupid words he wrote when describing a very old uchronia, set in pre-Biblical times, were, arguably : "when the mountains were higher and more pointed than now" ... nope, Pyrenees and Ural* never looked like Alps or Himalaya.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Ist Saturday of Pentecost Novena
23.V.2020

* Possibly Grey Mountains were meant as Ural back when they were like the Alps, according to this wrong theory.

PS, a correction on the maths upcoming, 4 mm / year seems to be wrong, but computer time is up now./HGL (27.V.2020)

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