Examples of using my tables

CMI:

You may also be basing your old Egyptian dates on carbon-14 dating, but accepting these dates uncritically, is fraught with difficulties, as even the experts disagree. For instance, even accepting the dates of the LXX for Noah’s Flood of 3,168 BC does not solve the dating of some of the oldest Egyptian remains.

For instance, secular archaeologists consider Paleolithic dwelling remains in Wadi Halfa are dated to 100,000 BC. Tool making, known as the Aterian industry is dated to 40,000 BC. The Khormusan tool industry is dated to 32,000 BC. The Nabta Playa archaeological site, is considered one of the earliest from the Egyptian Neolithic Period, and dated to c. 7,500 BC. Neolithic settlements appear all over Egypt and are dated to 6,000 BC. A small settlement near Cairo, known as the The El Omari culture is dated to the Archaic period at 4,000 BC. I could go on… For a setting of these Egyptian eras and archaeological remains within a biblical framework see this article, and CMI’s brand new Egyptian tour guide.

https://creation.com/chronology-chronogenealogies-ussher

Aterian on wiki actually have other dates, from 150,000 BP to 20,000 BP, and one "Aterian" site is also considered as Iberomaurusian.

Taforalt or Grotte des Pigeons is a cave in northern Oujda, Morocco, and possibly the oldest cemetery in North Africa (Humphrey et al. 2012). It contained at least 34^[1]:347 Iberomaurusian adolescent and adult human skeletons, as well as younger ones, from the Upper Palaeolithic between 15,100 and 14,000 calendar years ago. There is archaeological evidence for Iberomaurusian occupation at the site between 23,200 and 12,600 calendar years ago, as well as evidence for Aterian occupation as old as 85,000 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taforalt

12 600 - 2020 = 10 580 BC
14 000 - 2020 = 11 980 BC
15 100 - 2020 = 13 080 BC
23 200 - 2020 = 21 180 BC

So, what are the real and Biblical dates for this? I quote my tables with appropriate selection, and insert these dates:

2890 B. Chr.

0.09274 pmC/100, so dated as 22 540 B. Chr.

"21 180 BC"

2867 B. Chr.

0.119246 pmC/100, so dated as 20 467 B. Chr.

...

2733 B. Chr.

0.27679 pmC/100, so dated as 13 333 B. Chr.

"13 080 BC"

2711 B. Chr.

0.302799 pmC/100, so dated as 12 611 B. Chr.

"11 980 BC"

2688 B. Chr.

0.328739 pmC/100, so dated as 11 888 B. Chr.

...

2644 B. Chr.

0.380408 pmC/100, so dated as 10 644 B. Chr.

"10 580 BC"

2621 B. Chr.

0.406138 pmC/100, so dated as 10 071 B. Chr.

Tables quoted : New Tables
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2020/08/new-tables.html

So, the 34 skeleta are from between 2733 and 2688 BC, that is between 224 and 269 years after the Flood. Sufficiently late for 34 premature deaths (all deaths before the death of Noah after the Flood are premature, which gives a skewed vision of life expectancy for the searchers who consider Upper Palaeolithic lasted for tens of thousands of years, as opposed to 350), I said for 34 premature deaths to not take too great a toll on the population leading up to Babel.

What are Iberomaurusian skeleta?

The ancient Taforalt individuals carried the mtDNA Haplogroup N subclades like U6 and M which points to population continuity in the region dating from the Iberomaurusian period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberomaurusian

Now, for Khormusan ...

The Khormusan industry in Egypt began between 42,000 and 32,000 BP.[4] Khormusans developed tools not only from stone but also from animal bones and hematite.[4] They also developed small arrow heads resembling those of Native Americans,[4] but no bows have been found.[4] The end of the Khormusan industry came around 16,000 B.C. with the appearance of other cultures in the region, including the Gemaian.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Egypt#Khormusan_industry

The timespan for its beginning would extend both before and after the Flood, if carbon dated. BUt note 4 links to a page not mentioning carbon dates.

Paleolithic Egypt
https://web.archive.org/web/20100601171500/http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/egypt/history/paleolithic%20egypt.htm

If we deal with 32 000 BP = 30 000 BC as a carbon date, we deal with the twenty years following the Flood:

2957 B. Chr.

0.012788 pmC/100, so dated as 38 957 B. Chr.

2935 B. Chr.

0.039541 pmC/100, so dated as 29 635 B. Chr.

This is problematic, but not out of the possible. And certainly not if the carbon dates, if any, are more modest (as with Mungo Man).

I find this:

ProQuest ; F. Wendorf, R. Schild, Prehistory of the Nile Valley (Book Review)
Strouhal, Eugen.Archív Orientální; Praha Vol. 49, (Jan 1, 1981): 306-307.
https://search.proquest.com/openview/86ff3dd78a0989a41eb2f5d1dbacb20a/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=1817606

This suggests the end of Khormusan (or the new industry replacing it) is carbon dated, 16 carbon dates for 17 000 - 15 000 BC.

2800 B. Chr.

0.198337 pmC/100, so dated as 16 150 B. Chr.

2778 B. Chr.

0.224559 pmC/100, so dated as 15 128 B. Chr.

2756 B. Chr.

0.250709 pmC/100, so dated as 14 206 B. Chr.

So, this end of Khormusan extends from soon after 2800 BC to a little past 2778 BC and these sites do not extend to 2756 BC. I still do not know if the beginning of Khormusan is or is not based on a carbon date.

Next, Nabta Playa, I did an article on it three years ago:

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : Nabta Playa, Hieraconopolis and Buto
https://filolohika.blogspot.com/2017/08/nabta-playa-hieraconopolis-and-buto.html

My then values for three earliest dates on Nabta Playa were: 9500 BC = 2637 BC, 7500 BC after 2424 BC and before 2391 BC, 6500 BC after 2391 BC and before 2358 BC OR 9500 BC after 2778 BC and before 2688 BC, 7500 BC = 2599 BC, 6500 BC after 2599 BC and before 2510 BC, omitting the Syncellus values.

My now values would be:

2607 B. Chr.

0.428224 pmC/100, so dated as 9607 B. Chr.

"9500 BC"

2585 B. Chr.

0.45483 pmC/100, so dated as 9085 B. Chr.

...

2466 B. Chr.

0.532551 pmC/100, so dated as 7666 B. Chr.

"7500 BC"

2444 B. Chr.

0.545151 pmC/100, so dated as 7444 B. Chr.

...

2355 B. Chr.

0.596678 pmC/100, so dated as 6605 B. Chr.

"6500 BC"

2332 B. Chr.

0.609109 pmC/100, so dated as 6432 B. Chr.

So, the one earliest date for Nabta Playa has gone into the Babel era. The next one, cited in CMI quote, has gone between two from back then. The third is close to one of the values. But more important : all is still within the Biblical timeline. The Masoretic one? No, my tables have mainly used the chronology of Roman Martyrology which for Genesis 5 and 11 seems based on LXX without the second Cainan. But still Biblical. You want Masoretic? You copy the principle behind my tables, but calibrate with Masoretic instead - a fair warning, I can do with carbon 14 levels rising by a 10 times faster production at times, Masoretic will take between 16 and 25, and 16 will only do with a recent carbon date for the Flood.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Feast of Christ the King
25.X.2020

PS, Baumgardner commented on the link, and here is what he said:

Just a brief comment relating to the 14C dates of more than 5 kyr for human bones and artifacts. In my chapter on 14C in the 2005 RATE technical report, I pointed out that the significant quantity of accelerated nuclear decay during the Genesis Flood would have generated a significant quantity of 14C in crustal rocks. This 14C would have outgassed from the crust during the centuries following the Flood, increasing the atmospheric 14C concentration from about 0.01 pMC at the end of the Flood to near the modern level by, say, 1500 BC. That history of atmospheric 14C levels would have the effect of producing falsely inflated ages as one goes back in time beyond about 1500 BC.

I told him in response (and hoping he permits my republication of above):
It also answers one of my objections to Masoretic, since this is in alternative against production in high atmosphere due to cosmic radiation that also involves higher radiation doses. That would have been one of my preferences of Roman Martyrology over Masoretic, since I can do with 10 times faster production, you'd need 25, but on this view it is not really production with this side effect. /HGL