jeudi 28 janvier 2021

Not quite like this, no


In the Beginning grew out of a request that Osamu Tezuka received from the Vatican by way of RAI in 1984, requesting that Tezuka produce an animated version of the Old Testament. Tezuka spent two years working on a pilot film for the project based on the story of Noah's Ark, both writing the scenario for the film and working in the production of the animation itself. However, Tezuka died in 1989 before the film was finished. The remainder of the production for the pilot film and the subsequent 26-episode television series was supervised by director Osamu Dezaki.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Beginning:_The_Bible_Stories

Watching Tower of Babel episode:

In the beginning - Episode 4 - The Tower of Babel
11th Apr. 2016 | Kids TV English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s6VvqoPK1I


Nothing in Genesis 11 says the Tower of Babel was either a ziggurat or a temple to an idol.

Genesis 1–11 doesn’t explicitly mention any idolatry. Idolatry is mentioned everywhere in the Bible, even in Genesis (e.g. Genesis 31:19, 35:2). ... none of it is expressly represented as idolatry (whether strictly considering the use of images in the worship of God or a false deity, or even just considering the more general notion of the worship of false deities with or without images). Perhaps the closest anything comes to it is in the Tower of Babel incident. ... Idolatry seems to be absent even there. ... It seems that idolatry (at least the sort of idolatry prevalent throughout the Old Testament) arose after Babel.


Shaun Doyle made this feedback, published here:

Christianity and the origin of religion
Published: 23 January 2021 (GMT+10), feedback
https://creation.com/origin-of-religion-and-chrisitanity


Indeed, there seems to be a clue on when it arose ... Joshua 24:2

And he spoke thus to the people: Thus saith the Lord the God of Israel: Your fathers dwelt of old on the other side of the river, Thare the father of Abraham, and Nachor: and they served strange gods.

But Peleg was born when Babel ended, and Thare and Nachor are some generations later.

Sem, Arphaxad, (Second Cainan, if he existed), Sale, Heber, Phaleg ...

And to Heber were born two sons: the name of the one was Phaleg, because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name Jectan. Genesis 10:25

This fixes Phaleg's birth - 401 or 529 after the Flood, according to LXX readings without and with the Second Cainan - to the incident next chapter when the world was divided.

... Phaleg, Reu, Sarug, Nachor, Thare, Abraham with his siblings Nachor and Aran.

Abraham is born 942 or 1070 after the Flood. We can see Nachor would be the grandfather, not the brother of Abraham, since Joshua says "your fathers".

Now, let's go to a LXX to find out when between Babel's end / Phaleg's birth Nachor and then Thare were born:

18 And Phaleg lived and hundred and thirty years, and begot Ragau. 19 And Phaleg lived after he had begotten Ragau, two hundred and nine years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. 20 And Ragau lived and hundred thirty and two years, and begot Seruch. 21 And Ragau lived after he had begotten Seruch, two hundred and seven years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. 22 And Seruch lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot Nachor. 23 And Seruch lived after he had begotten Nachor, two hundred years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. 24 And Nachor lived a hundred and seventy-nine years, and begot Tharrha. 25 And Nachor lived after he had begotten Tharrha, an hundred and twenty-five years, and begot sons and daughters, and he died. 26 And Tharrha lived seventy years, and begot Abram, and Nachor, and Arrhan.

Genesis 11, page 2 and page 3.

We will reconstitute 79 for 179 for when Nachor begat Thare. Otherwise we might be getting 1042 and 1170 years between Flood and Abraham, which neither Roman Martyrology nor Syncellus has.

 without II C. with II C.
 
Phaleg 401 529
Reu 531 659
Sarug 663 791
Nachor 793 921
Thare 872 1000
Ab / Nach / Ar 942 1070


Restate in BC terms*:

 without II C. with II C.
 
Phaleg 2556 2737
Reu 2426 2607
Sarug 2294 2475
Nachor 2164 2345
Thare 2085 2266
Ab / Nach / Ar 2015 2196


Now, I'll insert - for Roman Martyrology only - the carbon calibration from my New tables:

Phaleg
2556 B. Chr.
48.1415 pmC, so dated as 8606 B. Chr.
2534 B. Chr.
49.4539 pmC, so dated as 8334 B. Chr.
2511 B. Chr.
50.7242 pmC, so dated as 8111 B. Chr.
2489 B. Chr.
51.9918 pmC, so dated as 7889 B. Chr.
2466 B. Chr.
53.2551 pmC, so dated as 7666 B. Chr.
2444 B. Chr.
54.5151pmC , so dated as 7444 B. Chr.
Reu
2426
2422 B. Chr.
55.7737 pmC, so dated as 7272 B. Chr.
2399 B. Chr.
57.0291 pmC, so dated as 7049 B. Chr.
2377 B. Chr.
58.4214 pmC, so dated as 6827 B. Chr.
2355 B. Chr.
59.6678 pmC, so dated as 6605 B. Chr.
2332 B. Chr.
60.9109 pmC, so dated as 6432 B. Chr.
2309 B. Chr.
62.1506 pmC, so dated as 6259 B. Chr.
Sarug
2294
2287 B. Chr.
63.387 pmC, so dated as 6037 B. Chr.
2265 B. Chr.
64.6199 pmC, so dated as 5865 B. Chr.
2243 B. Chr.
65.7496 pmC, so dated as 5693 B. Chr.
2220 B. Chr.
68.0023 pmC, so dated as 5420 B. Chr.
2198 B. Chr.
69.2256 pmC, so dated as 5248 B. Chr.
2175 B. Chr.
69.4483 pmC, so dated as 5175 B. Chr.
Nachor
2164
2153 B. Chr.
70.6677 pmC, so dated as 5003 B. Chr.
2131 B. Chr.
71.8838 pmC, so dated as 4881 B. Chr.
2108 B. Chr.
73.0966 pmC, so dated as 4708 B. Chr.
2086 B. Chr.
74.3062 pmC, so dated as 4536 B. Chr.
Thare
2085
2064 B. Chr.
75.4934 pmC, so dated as 4364 B. Chr.
2041 B. Chr.
76.6964 pmC, so dated as 4241 B. Chr.
2019 B. Chr.
77.8962 pmC, so dated as 4069 B. Chr.
Ab / Nach / Ar
2015
1996 B. Chr.
79.0927 pmC, so dated as 3946 B. Chr.


If we consider Nachor and Thare as beginning their error when Thare was born, this is around carbon dated 4536 BC.

Let's check when two diverse cults began to be used:

Inanna was worshiped in Sumer at least as early as the Uruk period (c. 4000 BC – c. 3100 BC), but she had little cult prior to the conquest of Sargon of Akkad.

The main temple to Enki was called E-abzu, meaning "abzu temple" (also E-en-gur-a, meaning "house of the subterranean waters"), a ziggurat temple surrounded by Euphratean marshlands near the ancient Persian Gulf coastline at Eridu. It was the first temple known to have been built in Southern Iraq. Four separate excavations at the site of Eridu have demonstrated the existence of a shrine dating back to the earliest Ubaid period, more than 6,500 years ago. Over the following 4,500 years, the temple was expanded 18 times, until it was abandoned during the Persian period.[8] Footnote = file:/-Enki-Ea-Peeter-Espak.pdf accessed 31 August 2014


In other words, the Enki temple, not the Inanna cult, began around when Thare was born. So, rather than putting Ziggurat of Eridu as Babel, and Babel as origin of idolatry, I put Ziggurat of Eridu 470 years in real time and 4070 carbon years in uniformitarian dating after the cessation of Babel. Those who have been around this blog for some time know already that I think we have Göbekli Tepe as the real Babel.

But the dating of idolatry to Nachor and Thare, by Joshua, is one more reason to believe this.

And there was no prophet trying to tell people to stop both idolatry and building of Babel, nothing in the Bible says there was one. God also did not speak to Lamech.** That was before the Flood, this was before the confusion of tongues. The Flood was a fairly harsh punishment, the confusion of tongues a gentle one. It involved new languages (something dear to us philologists) and also cessation of a hard work project (something dear to syndicalists and even unorganised workers). There is no reason to believe a giant idol was wrecking the stones of a ziggurat gone skyscraper endangering everyone.

If I am right that the "tower" itself was meant to be a rocket, and that it would have been fired with uranium, God was by interrupting the project before take off sparing mankind a major disaster, not inflicting one.

I will not reveal the end note of the video, it is beautiful, as are many other things in it, despite what I take to be grave factual errors.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Peter Nolascus
28.I.2021

PS, the Biblical advice for the episode or whole series was by Luciano Pacomio and Emilio Gandolfo. Tezuka productions did not start this project on their own, as mentioned. The Vatican was involved, and it was so under anti-Pope "John Paul II"./HGL

* I use Roman Martyrology for without II Cainan, Syncellus for with II Cainan. The diverse Flood dates are not just dependent on different numbers of years between Flood and Abraham. They are 2957 BC and 3266 BC. ** Mentioned at this video Who were the Descendants of Cain - Generation 3 to 8 by Periodic Table of History, https://youtu.be/vw92MZ0z2nU

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