12,000 Years Ago - How Far Back was that Really?

Terru from Urkesh Thare, father of Abraham? · 12,000 Years Ago - How Far Back was that Really?

Another hat tip to a video by AiG:

Who Is Paying for Baby Parts? - Answers News: April 28, 2021
April 28th 2021 | Answers in Genesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKtcAaa2v3U

Another article:

New Scientist : Untouched nature was almost as rare 12,000 years ago as it is now
EARTH 19 April 2021, By Layal Liverpool
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2274704-untouched-nature-was-almost-as-rare-12000-years-ago-as-it-is-now/

Key quote:

They found that most – 72.5 per cent – of Earth’s land has been shaped by human societies since as far back as 10,000 BC, including more than 95 per cent of temperate and 90 per cent of tropical woodlands.

And another application of my tables.

Creation vs. Evolution : New Tables
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2020/08/new-tables.html

Now, where in the tables does 10,000 BC fit? Just before Babel:

2621 B. Chr.

0.406138 pmC/100, so dated as 10 071 B. Chr.

A little caution. The tables were hand made, without computer aid, and the Flood to Babel table ends 2599 BC, while the beginning to end of Babel table begins 2607 BC. So, instead of taking this as "precisely 22 years before Babel" (as per within table I-II) or as "precisely 15 years before Babel" (as between table I-II and table II-III), I prefer you take this as a rough estimate.

This means, the people around back then would have been available in plenty.

It also means, if my identification of Babel is right, that spread of mankind as per Genesis 10 and dispersion of nations as per Genesis 11 are two different events. It also means, therefore, that the sinful intent behind Babel was not refusing to spread, but - for instance, as per my idea that was really Josephus' first - insisting of having a plan B when God had said it would not be necessary.

Genesis 10:32 These are the families of Noe, according to their peoples and nations. By these were the nations divided on the earth after the flood.

Had happened.

Genesis 11:9 And therefore the name thereof was called Babel, because there the language of the whole earth was confounded: and from thence the Lord scattered them abroad upon the face of all countries.

Had not yet happened.

Now, after signing, I will go back to their video, that of AiG, and I will see when in the Biblical timeline they put it.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Anthony-Maria Zaccaria
5.VII.2021

Cremonae, in Insubria, sancti Antonii-Mariae Zaccaria Confessoris, qui Clericorum Regularium sancti Pauli et Angelicarum Virginum fuit Institutor; atque, virtutibus omnibus et mirdculis insignis, a Leone Papa Decimo tertio inter Sanctos adscriptus est. Ejus corpus Mediolani, in Ecclesia sancti Barnabae, colitur.

PS. They do not give an alternative point in time immediately, but they state that human land management has sometimes been for the better and good that the article discovers it. I can confirm from an outing in Bokskogen (close to Malmö), if the landscape (it's a forest) had been pristine, it would have been lots more hazel, alder, brambles, impossible to walk through, since the waters would tend to that kind of moist vegetation. The beeches from which the forest gets its name (bok is both book and beech tree) grew after tilled soil, probably burnt and then tilled, had been re-abandoned. The guide told me that the tilling was "5000 years ago" and that is actually less than 4000 years ago:

1778 B. Chr.

0.859766 pmC/100, so dated as 3028 B. Chr.

It's on table IV to V. It's before Djoser's coffin and him being Joseph's pharao. But arguably, Joseph was already born./HGL

PPS - they use "evolutionary timeline" which, like "uniformitarian timeline" is imprecise, conflating the carbon date with other dating methods, that are not the same and don't reduce to Biblical dates the same way./HGL