A Ramble, Centaurs and Andromeda

A Ramble, Centaurs and Andromeda · Centaurs Revisited

The Domestication and History of Modern Horses
By K. Kris Hirst | Updated September 01, 2018
https://www.thoughtco.com/horse-history-domestication-170662

That evidence has been found at Krasnyi Yar in Kazakhstan, in portions of the site dating to as early as 3600 BC. The horses may have been kept for food and milk, rather than riding or load-bearing.

Accepted archaeological evidence of horseback riding includes bit wear on horse teeth—that has been found in the steppes east of the Ural mountains at Botai and Kozhai 1 in modern Kazakhstan, around 3500-3000 BC. The bit wear was only found on a few of the teeth in the archaeological assemblages, which might suggest that a few horses were ridden to hunt and collect wild horses for food and milk consumption. Finally, the earliest direct evidence of the use of horses as beasts of burden—in the form of drawings of horse-drawn chariots—is from Mesopotamia, about 2000 BC. The saddle was invented around 800 BC, and the stirrup (a matter of some debate among historians) was probably invented around 200-300 AD.

Forget the saddle and the stirrup for now. And look here:

A History of Horseback Riding
https://tophorsebackriding.com/blog/a-history-of-horseback-riding/

The first records of systematic training, conditioning, and caretaking of horses date back to around 1350 b.c. They were written by a man named Kikkuli. Kikkuli was a Mittani, an Aryan group with cultural ties to India.

What years in the real timeline are these?

Using, not citing : Creation vs. Evolution : New Tables
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2020/08/new-tables.html

3600

c. 1950 BC

3500

Genesis 14, 1935 BC

3000

c. 1780 BC

2000

c. 1600 BC

1350

c. 1315 BC

When was the Trojan War? 1179 BC. This should be compared to real dates, not to the inflated C14-dates. In other words, first, far-off, domestication of horses was 771 years before the Trojan War, their arrival as drawing chariots into the Near East was 421 years before it. Now, the adult age of Hercules and Iason was a generation earlier, deduct 30 years, 391. The early life of both would have been 20 or thirty before that - like just 365 years after the horse arrived in the Near East with chariots. Or 50 years after Kikkuli wrote his treatise far off in North Syria.

This means, if any rider on horseback came to near Greece relevant time before the Trojan War, he would be very exotic. He might even be seen as a monster, from some distance.

This gives one a certain idea, or a reinforcement of an idea already given by some uniformitarian scholars, about what Nessos (manhood, near death of Hercules) or Cheiron (childhood of Hercules and Iason) might have really been. A rider, seen by a society with no riders. Which would have had very small chances of hearing about riders even from afar.

In other words, the accounts need not be wrong, they would just involve a misunderstanding. A very awkward one, but apart from the awkward biology it suggests, a very minor one in geometry - one bulky thing, not two, sticking up from a horseback.

A little caveat on centaurs, though ... when St. Anthony the Great went for a visit to St. Paul the First Hermit, he saw a faun and a centaur. Could it have been some kind of spiritual phenomenon, rather than a purely physical one? Gary Bates might be inclined to think so.*

Our views of angels as just spiritual beings—that is, somehow just ethereal, ghostly or vaporous is culturally driven by images of beings with fairy wings, for example. Pastor Johnny Hunt (former President of the Southern Baptist Convention) addressed this misconception in the movie. It is clear that they are intelligent, thinking beings, and can appear physically in a variety of forms in our realm.

But if so, why not other manifestations, like in stars? Bear with me ... it's a ramble!

Now, there was some generations before Hercules a certain ancestor of his named Perseus. Whose bride was Andromeda. We have stars named for them.

l'Observatoire de Paris : The formation of the Andromeda galaxy finally elucidated
https://www.observatoiredeparis.psl.eu/the-formation-of-the.html?lang=en

In the huge Andromeda disk, all stars older than 2 billion years undergo random motions, the scale of which being almost comparable to their rotation around the centre of this galaxy. In comparison, stars of the disk of the Milky Way, e.g., our Sun, are subject only to a simple rotation.

Now, as some know, I believe angels move stars. So did Riccioli:

New blog on the kid : What Opinion did Riccioli call the Fourth and Most Common One?
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2014/08/what-opinion-did-riccioli-call-fourth.html

But do the random motions undergone by the stars convince astronomers? No.

7 to 10 billion years ago, instead of Andromeda, there were two galaxies on an encountering orbit. The astronomers optimized by simulations the trajectories of both galaxies. They discovered that they had finally merged 1.8 to 3 billion years ago. This collision gave birth to Andromeda, as we know it. "We showed that the biggest of both parent galaxies was approximately four times as massive as the smallest ", specifies François Hammer, astronomer of the Paris Observatory - PSL, first co-author of the study.

In other words, don't count on astronomers to actually investigate the position of Riccioli any more!

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Tenth Sunday after Pentecost
1.VIII.2021

* https://creation.com/ufo-spiritual-phenomena
and citation from
https://creation.com/spirit-physical