mercredi 26 janvier 2022

Dr. Joel Duff on Toba Artefacts


The post is the third highest ranked on Joel Duff's Naturalis Historia:

NH : The Toba Super Eruption: A Non-Flood Catastrophe – The Artifacts Say Yes!
https://thenaturalhistorian.com/2012/05/04/toba-tuff-adam-super-volcano-flood-geology/


This massive and apparently world-altering volcanic explosion cannot be explained within a young-age chronology as an event that occurred concurrently or at the end of a global flood. Here we have an example of a volcano that must have obliterated nearly all life on Sumatra and likely deforested most of Indonesia, the Philippines, and Thailand. Massive deposits from air-borne ash would have killed many of the animals in this entire region.

Again, YECs can’t explain this as happening while Noah and his family were safe inside the Ark. The evidence that humans occupied sites just before this massive volcanic eruption necessitates that this volcano had to have blown its top after people had migrated from the Ark to India. In the YEC chronology this would place this catastrophic even no more than 4000 years ago!

Why only 4000 year ago? Because most creationists believe that the Flood occurred 4350 years ago and then after the Flood the descendants of Noah lived in Middle East were they then all gathered together at Babel several hundred years after the Flood. The first people to reach India would have been descendants of the people at Babel. Therefore, these stone tools could not have been dropped at this location in India until after people had dispersed there from Babel. This sets the minimum age of this catastrophe at no more than 4000 years ago in the YEC chronology. This volcano could not have destroyed Sumatra until well after the dispersal of peoples from Babel.


I disagree that India was not peopled at all until after Babel.

Himalayas were formed as mountains after the Flood, and I see one pre-Flood culture (Soanian) on lower slopes, what would have been ground in pre-Flood times, and I see a post-Babel culture carbon dated to 5000 BC (Patu, Nepal). The time between Flood and Babel, human habitations were absent from the Himalayas.

Creation vs. Evolution : Himalayas ... how fast did they rise?
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2020/05/himalayas-how-fast-did-they-rise.html


However, the Indian plate below the Himalayas would have been accessible both before and after the Flood, and very arguably Nod East of Eden could have been as far East as India.

I would specifically expect Henoch in Nod to come to face only if Himalayas were destroyed - meaning arguably at Doomsday.

The ones finding their way to India after the Flood (in adventures roughly recalled as Ramayana before Babel) would have had a Nod nostalgia, and have preserved the memory of pre-Flood events in the Mahabharata. I think they can have found their way to the right place, so to speak.

So, no, the Toba explosion would have taken place in the early stages of the Flood, and the artefacts are there because the place was inhabited before the Flood.

I think there is more than one topic where Bill Cooper's After the Flood is blameworthy, if that is where Joel Duff has his info on what "creationists believe" though to be fair he says "most" and the pre-Flood non-inhabitation of India is one of them. Not just artefacts from Toba, but also Flores hobbit show otherwise to me./HGL

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