Robert Carter Made an Article on Carbon Dating · Some More Details with Carter
How carbon dating works
by Robert W. Carter | Published: 12 April 2022
https://creation.com/how-carbon-dating-works
Basically, it is good that he acknowledges that carbon dating is good science.
It is also good that he gives a kind of Biblical calibration.
30 000 BP is given as Antediluvian - which should give him a warning signal about classifying Neanderthals as post-Flood, as he did elsewhere. Latest carbon date associated with body parts of Neanderthals would be 40 000 BP. Yes, I know the Gorham cave on Gibraltar has a carbon date of 28 000 BP, but that is of charcoals. And the Neanderthal association seems to be by tools.
For my own part, I have 40 000 BP / 38 000 BC as the carbon date of the Flood, based precisely on Neanderthals being pre-Flood, with parts of the genome surviving via the Ark, but only via "mixed race" persons.
4000 BC is given for Abraham. I'd give that for Abraham's birth. Here is the discussion he gives:
The date for Abraham is in the range of carbon dates for the Chalcolithic (6,000 YBP), because we know that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob lived in Beersheba and the latest archaeological evidence for intensive grain cultivation (Genesis 26:12) in the region is from the Chalcolithic (aka, the Copper Age).
Now, it could be that Isaac sowed well after "4000 BC" as the carbon date goes, while the latest archaeological evidence for intensive grain cultivation is from before his times.
In my tables, 4000 BC isn't a specific node, but coincides roughly with the birth of Abraham. He was born 2015 BC, and in my tables*, the two carbon date values surrounding 4000 BC are at 2019 and 1996 BC:
- 2019 B. Chr.
- 0.778962 pmC/100, so dated as 4069 B. Chr.
- 1996 B. Chr.
- 0.790927 pmC/100, so dated as 3946 B. Chr.
What age would Isaac have been in Genesis 26? It was after Esau had sold his birthright, so Esau and Jacob would have been adults. Let's say Esau and Jacob were twenty years, that would make Isaac eighty years, and this would be 180 years after Abraham's birth. 2015 - 180 = 1835 BC.
- 1845 B. Chr.
- 0.845892 pmC/100, so dated as 3245 B. Chr.
- 1823 B. Chr.
- 0.850509 pmC/100, so dated as 3173 B. Chr.
Isaac sowing would have been dated as between 3245 and 3173 BC, if it had been traced. Note, he sowed in Gerar, which is one km away from Bersheba. In Bersheba, he found water and dug a well. Perhaps the archaeological digs were from Bersheba but not Gerar? If so, it would be interesting confirmation of my tables if the latest grain cultivation in Gerar were in carbon dated 3200 BC.
The relevant nodes for these would centre on Genesis 14 = carbon date "3500 BC" (as per reed mats from En-Gedi evacuation** with temple treasures), also clearly in the Chalcolithic, and as surrounding nodes to arrive at my values, I have end of Babel and Birth of Peleg (541 years before Abraham was born, c. 621 years before Genesis 14) as carbon dated 8600 BC, per identification of Babel as Göbekli Tepe; and the other surrounding node would be identifying Joseph's pharao (dying around 1700 BC) with Djoser, for whose coffin a raw carbon date is 2800 BC. Why with Djoser? Bc I identify Joseph with (slightly mythologised) Imhotep, see the Hunger Stele.
If you agreed on "3500 BC" as carbon date for Genesis 14 but took a later pharao (say Sesostris III, as a German did) as Joseph's pharao, this would mean Isaac sowing would be even more displaced in relation to Genesis 14, even more recent - if it has at all been detected. As it is after Genesis 14, other choices for Babel would not affect this.
I obviously disagree on the Shroud of Turin, while I have defended the soot contamination response, I think a better one might be the CalTech computer was hacked by some KGB agent who simply didn't want the Shroud of Turin to be proof of the Resurrection as a historic event.
Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Wednesday of Holy Week
13.IV.2022
* My tables are at latest update available on:
Creation vs. Evolution : New Tables
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2020/08/new-tables.html
** I thank Osgood for identifying Chalcolithic of En-Gedi with Genesis 14 events on Asason-Tamar:
The Times of Abraham
By Dr A.J.M. Osgood | This article is from
Journal of Creation 2(1):77–87, April 1986
https://creation.com/the-times-of-abraham
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