How Much Tectonic Movement Was There in the Flood?

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CMI and AiG are reputed to have a heat problem.

All tectonic stages from Pangaea to present configuration and all of this in the Flood.

I hold the original four corners of a presumable rectangle or trapezoid are still visible.

The Atlantic has been opened up, matter has been shoved up (mapreading as N = "up") to the Northern areas of Baffin Bay, i e those parts of Canada and all of Greenland.

The Indian Ocean has opened up when India was shoved up (making the Himalaya) and the Antarctic shoved down and Australia with Tasmania shoved East.

But, I don't hold that all of this was ready just after the Flood. No. The Himalayas were rising* to the degree of instability that the Siwalik hills only became inhabitable after Babel, several centuries after the Flood.** The same would be true for other movements, like South America moving away from Africa. The Pyrenees too have only post-Babel human remains, as they were also rising.

Obviously, the Flood did a lot of the job, but there was somemovement just after and it did for some centuries prevent spread of human habitation to some areas.

I think that is to be taken into account when assessing the tectonic movement of the Flood, and if correct, it solves the Heat Problem.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
Sts. Nereus and Achilleus, Martyrs
12.V.2026

Romae, via Ardeatina, sanctorum Martyrum Nerei et Achillei fratrum, qui primo cum Flavia Domitilla, cujus erant eunuchi, in insula Pontia longum pro Christo duxerunt exsilium; postmodum gravissimis verberibus attrectati sunt; deinde, cum a Minutio Rufo, viro Consulari, equuleo et flammis ad immolandum compellerentur, dicerentque se, a beato Petro Apostolo baptizatos, nulla ratione posse idolis immolare, capite caesi sunt. Horum sacrae reliquiae, simulque Flaviae Domitillae, ex Diaconia sancti Hadriani in antiquum eorum Titulum, ubi asservabantur olim reconditae, denuo restauratum, solemniter translatae sunt pridie hujus diei, jussu Clementis Papae Octavi; qui exinde hodierna celebrandum die indixit etiam festum ipsius beatae Domitillae Virginis, cujus passio Nonis hujus mensis recensetur.

* Himalayas ... how fast did they rise? · Himalayas, bis ... and Pyrenees · ter · quater · quinquies ... double-checked

** Gudrun Corvinus states in an addendum to her article:

The occupation of the Patu people then must have occurred before 7 000 B.P.

Let's say 5000 BC:

2189 BC

70.415 pmC, dated as 5089 BC

2187 BC

Eber died

2166 BC

71.553 pmC, dated as 4933 BC

2189—2166 BC, with Flood in 2958 BC = basically 800 years. Now, that was sloppy, since 7 000 BP is not usually calibrated to 5000 BC exactly. But if this means "cal BP" then that, being between 7050 and 6950 cal BP, is somewhere around 5050 BC. See the pdf on Minze Stuiver and Bernd Becker's High-Precision Decadal Calibration of the Radiocarbon Time Scale, AD 1950–6000 BC and scroll down to Fig. 20 on p. 55.

From Some Earlier Debates, I Know, Some Think Egyptian Documents Confirm Menes or Narmer, as c. 3100 BC in History As Well As in Carbon Dates

Vindicated! · Some People Think Administrators Don't Lie, Religious People Do · From Some Earlier Debates, I Know, Some Think Egyptian Documents Confirm Menes or Narmer, as c. 3100 BC in History As Well As in Carbon Dates

Diodorus Siculus, 1st C BC, thought, from Egyptian sources that Menes ruled 5000 years earlier.

The Search for the Earliest Kings of Egypt
World of Antiquity | 7 Oct. 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4TeOQrbVjk

Manetho and Abydos King List would agree Menes was the first human ruler.

Palermo King List, which is earlier, doesn't.

we do get the names of some king that immediately preceded the first dynasty: 7:54 Seka, Khayu, Tiu, Thesh, Neheb, Wazner, Mekh. These names do not match the names of gods 8:03 or demigods or spirits of the dead mentioned in Manetho or Diodorus.

If carbon dates associated with Narmer or Menes give c. 3100 BC, I have two solutions possible, for how Abraham met him somewhat before carbon dated 3500 BC:

• like Abraham, he lived long after their meeting, and so his grave has a much later carbon date:
  
  

  1936 BC

  82.763 pmC, dated as 3500 BC
  
  

  ...
  
  

  1816 BC

  Esau is 40, Jacob goes to Laban

  1798 BC

  85.566 pmC, dated as 3087 BC

  
  
  Doesn't function very well with my current calibration.
  
  
• Abraham actually didn't meet Narmer or Menes, but an earlier, pre-unification, king. Like one of Seka, Khayu, Tiu, Thesh, Neheb, Wazner, Mekh.

But either way, a historiography which was able to place Menes variously 3100 BC or 5100 BC was obviously not sufficiently documented about at least these early times to actually calibrate carbon.

Unlike the historic date for the War of Troy:

1179 BC

100 pmC, dated as 1179 BC

Citing my own comment under that one:

VIII, The Fall of Troy

In a way this is the least original. History says (Eratosthenes and precursors of the Christmas Day reading) Troy fell 1179 BC. There is at Troy a destruction layer dated to 1180 BC. I take this as the first detected occurrence of 100 pmC in the atmosphere back then.

This refers to:

The fall of Troy		1184 BC
	interval of 80 years
The return of the Heraclidae		1104
	interval of 60 years
The settlement of Ionia		1044
	interval of 159 years
The regency of Lycurgus		885
	interval of 108 years
The year before the 1st Olympiad		777
The First Olympiad		776

THE CHRONOLOGY OF ERATOSTHENES
By Darrell Wolcott
http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id143.html

And the Olympiads actually function kind of as an epoch (like AD does).

Genesis 5 and 11 are a better documentation of time passing than old Egyptian sources, not a worse one.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Michael in Mount Gargano
8.V.2026

In monte Gargano Apparitio sancti Michaelis Archangeli, quem Pius Papa Duodecimus Radiologis et Radiumtherapeuticis Patronum et Protectorem constituit.

PS, it seems Dynasty 0 was in the South, so, Seka, Khayu, Tiu, Thesh, Neheb, Wazner, Mekh might have been too far South to meet Abraham./HGL

An Early Sprachbund Needs an Early Contact

Was Indo-European Group a Sprachbund? · An Early Sprachbund Needs an Early Contact

A few years ago, I wrote:

I think the trade routes we are dealing with would push bilinguals and polyglots to the forefront in these areas for centuries (the trade routes Dan Davis speak of are not springing into existence in 1550 BC to end in 1450 BC in isolation), and, as said, such people carry on habits from one of their languages into another.

Creation vs. Evolution: Was Indo-European Group a Sprachbund?
Wedn. 18 Jan. 2023 | Hans Georg Lundahl
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2023/01/was-indo-european-group-sprachbund.html

Now, I have a reason to maybe push this further back, depending on what the following calibrates to:

The rise of Mycenean culture during the same period was undoubtedly also linked to the formation and establishment of such a new ruling warrior aristocracy. The travelling specialists who accompanied the introduction of this new institution, whether through trade or conquest, were responsible for expanding the horse equipment and its highly elaborate decoration that was associated with this new institution. It explains why similarly decorated antler bits are found from Denmark to Greece during the formative years 1750-1500 BCE, and also explains why chariots are depicted in rock art in Scandinavia and on early Mycenaean grave stelae during the same period.

Middle Bronze Age Decorated Antler Horse Bits Linking Denmark, Hungary and Early Mycenean Greece
by Kristian Kristiansen | [from] Mediterranean Horizons / Archaeological Studies in Honour of Søren Dietz
https://www.academia.edu/166139657/Middle_Bronze_Age_Decorated_Antler_Horse_Bits_Linking_Denmark_Hungary_and_Early_Mycenean_Greece

Let's look up the years* ...

1558 BC

97.75 pmC, dated as 1746 BC

...

1471 BC

99.049 pmC, dated as 1550 BC

Nope, on my calibration from Christmas 2024, the years are the same ... roughly speaking./HGL

* Table VI—VI/VII and node VII in Newer Tables, Joseph in Egypt to Fall of Troy