mardi 6 décembre 2022

Minoan Culture is Older than the Mycenaean Copy


When?

c. 3500 – c. 1100 BC


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_civilization

This really boils down to 1935 to 1100 BC, since 1935, Genesis 14, by the reed mats from the evacuation of En-Geddi (mentioned as Asason Tamar in Genesis 14, thank you, Osgood) is carbon dated to 3500 BC (thanks to the archaeologists). 835 years is less than 2400 years, but still respectable.

Mycenaean Greece:

c. 1750 – c. 1050 BC


The real year close to 1700 BC is carbon dated to 2600 BC, or even 2800 BC by the uncalibrated date, since Joseph's pharao was Djoser. So, carbon dated 1750 BC = later, closer to the end of the Israelite's staying in Egypt. In fact, Moses was already born, if Sesostris III was the childkilling pharao. 1550 BC to 1050 BC is 500 years.

The chronology of Cycladic civilization is divided into three major sequences: Early, Middle and Late Cycladic. The early period, beginning c. 3000 BC, segued into the archaeologically murkier Middle Cycladic c. 2500 BC. By the end of the Late Cycladic sequence (c. 2000 BC), there was essential convergence between the Cycladic and Minoan civilizations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycladic_culture

There are actually four sites or cultures with their own probable dates:

The Grotta-Pelos culture ... is the period that marks the beginning of the so-called Cycladic culture and spans the Neolithic period in the late 4th millennium BC (ca. 3300 BC), continuing in the Bronze Age to about 2700 BC.


1868 BC to 1700 BC. Abraham 147 years old to Joseph in Egypt.

The Keros-Syros culture is named after two islands in the Cyclades: Keros and Syros. This culture flourished during the Early Cycladic II period (ca 2700-2300 BC) of the Cycladic civilization.


1700 BC to 1645 BC.

The Kastri culture (Greek: Καστρί) refers to a "cultural" dating system used for the Cycladic culture that flourished during the early Bronze Age in Greece.[1] It spans the period ca. 2500–2200 BC


1668 BC to 1633 BC.

The Phylakopi I culture ... spans the period ca. 2300-2000 BC


1645 BC to 1610 BC.

Back to Crete.

Although stone-tool evidence suggests that hominins may have reached Crete as early as 130,000 years ago, evidence for the first anatomically-modern human presence dates to 10,000–12,000 YBP.


8000 - 10,000 BC or 10,000 to 8000 BC = around Babel (2607 BC dated as 9600 BC, 2556 BC as 8600 BC).

The oldest evidence of modern human habitation on Crete is pre-ceramic Neolithic farming-community remains which date to about 7000 BC.


C. 2400 BC.

A comparative study of DNA haplogroups of modern Cretan men showed that a male founder group, from Anatolia or the Levant, is shared with the Greeks.


Does this mean, the Kaphthorim had alredy left Crete in 2400 BC, replaced by Javan's sons?

Eutresis culture of c. 3200 – c. 2650 BC (also called Early Helladic I)


1834 BC to 1685 BC.

Korakou culture or Early Helladic II (in some schemes Early Helladic IIA) was an early phase of Bronze Age Greece, in the Early Helladic period, lasting from around 2650 to c.2200 BC.


1685 BC to 1633 BC.

Tiryns culture (2,200–2,000 BC) or Early Helladic III.


1633 BC to c. 1610 BC.

We actually have a table of carbon dates, I'll use New Tables to recalibrate it, omitting the final part, the table VIII to IX:

1621 - 1599 BC (New Tables)
2100–1900 BC, MMIA (conventional dating)
1599 - 1577 BC
1900–1800 BC, MMIB, Protopalatial (Old Palace Period)
1577 - 1555 BC
1800–1750 BC, MMIIA
1555 - 1532 BC
1750–1700 BC, MMIIB, Neopalatial (New Palace Period)
1532 - 1510 BC
1700–1650 BC, MMIIIA
1510 - 1487 BC
1650–1600 BC, MMIIIB
1487 - 1424 BC
1600–1500 BC, LMIA
1424 - 1386 BC
1500–1450 BC, LMIB, Postpalatial (at Knossos; Final Palace Period)
1386 - 1348 BC
1450–1400 BC, LMII
1348 - 1313 BC
1400–1350 BC, LMIIIA
1313 - 1100 BC
1350–1100 BC, LMIIIB


My calibration is based on Biblical history. The conventional archaeological one is based, at best, on dendrochronology. It is not based on history from the Helladic cultures, since Linear B Mycenaean texts are tax receipts and Linear A Minoan texts are undeciphered./HGL

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