mercredi 21 décembre 2022

Wait, I Missed Something


Best evidence against Creationism · Wait, I Missed Something

First of the answers, by Pierre Vigoureux, he tucked some popular attacks into a very small sentence:

And that is the best evidence you can use AGAINST their “creation science” nonsense. It is just Babylonian mythology - and they WILL ask thousands of questions like “how do evolutionists explain …” and never listen to the answer until you remind them of that - that Genesis says the world is flat, the Garden of Eden is in Iraq, Noah transported all the millions of species we have today on a Bronze Age wooden boar, and Adam and Eve had children that commited incest.


I'll break each part down ...

It is just Babylonian mythology -

First, it is very anti-Babylonian. In Babylonian myths there was not any first couple, and mankind was created to work for the gods, in a collective.

Second, apart from that kind of thing, I don't see all that many reasons to denigrate Babylonians, and I don't denigrate mythology. While I don't believe Hercules was son of Jove, I believe he existed.

Third, the Babylonian "Ark" is not seaworthy, the Biblical one is. The Babylonian "Ark" is a mega version of small boats in Babylonian lands, the Biblical one is unlike the boats of the area, whether Galilaean fisherboats or Phenician things for the Mediterranean.

and they WILL ask thousands of questions like “how do evolutionists explain …” and never listen to the answer until you remind them of that -

I think "never listen to the answer" is about Science Believers (sometimes known as Atheists) not listening to the refutations of Creationists against those answers.

that Genesis says the world is flat,

W a i t ... no, Genesis two doesn't even directly mention four corners, but indirectly actually alludes to them. The rivers of paradise "water all the surface of the earth" ... four rivers flowing outwards from a single centre to the corners of the earth would indeed be impossible today, but was possible before the Atlantic and the Sahul-Sunda strait divided the more whole pre-Flood land mass.

the Garden of Eden is in Iraq,

Actually, Frat and Hiddekel are quadrifurcations of the river of paradise, it doesn't say that these ones also are in Mesopotamia - plus Iraq and Mesopotamia only partially coincide.

Noah transported all the millions of species we have today on a Bronze Age wooden boar,

Kinds. In my calculation from there being 17 species of hedgehog, this means a bit over 2000 couples, but the calculations on the Ark load would suggest this is somewhat inadequate, there were probably more, since most kinds don't have a ratio of own weight to the weight of a year's nutrition that ruminants have.

and Adam and Eve had children that commited incest.

With one couple, the only possibility was the next generation was able to and authorised to marry siblings and nieces.


So, no, those objections, safely tucked away into a part of a paragraph far down, until I unpacked that, are not very good either.

Hans Georg Lundahl

ut supra (vel infra in bloggo).

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