dimanche 12 août 2018

To Michael Oard


Thank you for telling us about Sahara as wet land in your article:

The problem of the wet Sahara
by Michael Oard
https://creation.com/wet-sahara


Here is a quote I'll highlight:

The timing of the AHP has been debated, but secular researchers generally believe it started about 15,000 years ago.11,12 Based on 3,287 carbon-14 dates from 1,011 Neolithic archeological sites, they surmise that humans were in northern Africa 5,500–10,500 years ago. So, the AHP is inferred to have likely ended about 5,500 years ago in the uniformitarian timescale.


This is where I go ... well, first, let's quote your conclusion:

This corresponds to the very late Pleistocene, during deglaciation, and the early to mid-Holocene, after the biblical Ice Age.


I would object to the phrase "biblical Ice Age" - because the Ice Age as such is only vaguely hinted at in the Bible. It's like saying "biblical penecilline", not that the Bible forbids us to believe in or consume (when infected) penicilline, but that the Bible does not mention it.

I would say, this corresponds to:

  • times in Biblical chronology just before the Babel project;
  • times of the Babel project (40 years in one Jewish tradition, I recall);
  • times after Babel but ending before Abraham, if not necessarily before his birth, at least before Genesis 14.


I base this on:

  • accepting Göbekli Tepe as Babel (if "tower" means rocket, lack of tower like architecture is no problem), where the carbon dates are between 9600 and 8600 BC;
  • and accepting Osgood's identification of Amorrheans of Asason-Thamar with Chalcolithic En Gedi. Meaning probably a carbon date close to 3000 BC.


In other words, Carbon date 5500 BC is between 8600 BC and 3000 BC. Carbon date 15000 BC is before 9600 BC. Obviously it is after the Flood, not just because 15000 BC is ...

... Sorry, I saw I misconstrued BP (ago, before present) as BC (before Christ). This is about how things can go wrong for a writer who is also homeless and therefore often tired. Now, this does not mean I live in a haze, it means I spend some moments surprising myself with having read myself or others in a short moment of haze. So, 10,500 years ago is 8500 BC = just after Göbekli Tepe, just after Babel. 5500 years ago = 3500 BC, within the possible span (as long as I don't find actual carbon dates cited) of chalcholithic of En Geddi, BUT as being before Pharaos, it would have to have been a bit before Genesis 13.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Kremlin Bicêtre
XII Sunday after Pentecost
12.VIII.2018

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