samedi 22 décembre 2018

An Inadequate Work Published on Kolbe Center for Study of Creation : Date of Flood


Here is a salient paragraph:

The Sumerian civilization is considered to have been the oldest civilization on earth. Both Sumeria and Egypt had histories prior to 2241 BC. Both civilizations began in the previous millennium. Other civilizations had prehistories prior to 2241 BC whether or not they had histories. For example, Chinese history began many centuries after 2241 BC, and the early Indian religious writings seem to have been written many centuries after 2241 BC as well. However, from the prehistories one might be left with the impression that in all civilizations something of a very chaotic nature occurred on earth about the year 2241 BC and afterwards the civilizations had undergone some sort of change.


Inadequate for Flood.

If Flood was 2241 BC (there is a serious proposal from LXX text, it was 2242 Anno Mundi, but that's another story), you cannot just project Sumerian, Egyptian, Chinese, Indic histories prior to 2241 BC to the pre-Flood world.

In case readers don't believe this is what Schmirler is proposing, this comes after a discussion of First Intermediate Period as the time in Egyptian archaeology and history where the Flood fits in.

Why cannot you project Old Kingdom to pre-Flood? Why cannot you project Neolithic China to pre-Flood? Why cannot you project dynasties of Ur prior to the Third to pre-Flood? Or Harappa and Mohenjo Daro, as I did myself some time ago, when very early on I hoped to identify Mohenjo-Daro with Henoch in the land of Nod and its famous Pashupati seal* figure with Cain or Tubal-Cain or some apparition of Apollyon in the pre-Flood world?

Post-Flood humanity has one origin, if the Flood was universal. This precludes a pre-Flood diversification recurring as a post-Flood diversification.

It does not directly (but the short time from Creation to Flood indirectly does) preclude two subsequent pre-Flood diversifications.

It does not directly even preclude two subsequent post-Flood ones.

But the most reasonable is, the pre-Flood diversification where Cro-Magnon type man coexisted with Neanderthal and Heidelbergians and Denisovan has been replaced with a post-Flood one in racial types "black, white, yellow" and linguistic diversity.

Now, it could be done to analyse DNA from Egyptians of Old Kingdom, Sumerians prior to III Dynasty of Ur, Chinese Neolithic population and find they fairly well match the later history of what Schmirler considers (correctly) as post-Flood.

But more important, you do have texts in diversified languages from what Schmirler considers as pre-Flood.

These** would on Schmirler's view be pre-Flood:

c. 2690 BC  Egyptian
Egyptian hieroglyphs in the tomb of Seth-Peribsen (2nd Dynasty), Umm el-Qa'ab[7]  "proto-hieroglyphic" inscriptions from about 3300 BC (Naqada III; see Abydos, Egypt, Narmer Palette)
 
26th century BC  Sumerian
Instructions of Shuruppak, the Kesh temple hymn and other cuneiform texts from Shuruppak and Abu Salabikh (Fara period)[8][9]  "proto-literate" period from about 3500 BC (see Kish tablet); administrative records at Uruk and Ur from c. 2900 BC.
 
c. 2400 BC  Akkadian
A few dozen pre-Sargonic texts from Mari and other sites in northern Babylonia[10]  Some proper names attested in Sumerian texts at Tell Harmal from about 2800 BC.[11] Fragments of the Legend of Etana at Tell Harmal c. 2600 BC.[12]
 
c. 2400 BC  Eblaite
Ebla tablets[13]
 
c. 2250 BC  Elamite
Awan dynasty peace treaty with Naram-Sin[14][15]


You cannot even have a pre-Flood linguistic diversity replaced by a post-Babel one and these belonging to the pre-Flood one, since they continue well after 2241 BC in the conventional timeline:

  • The Egyptian language was spoken in ancient Egypt and was a branch of the Afro-Asiatic languages. Its attestation stretches over an extraordinarily long time, from the Old Egyptian stage (mid-3rd millennium BC, Old Kingdom of Egypt). Its earliest known complete written sentence has been dated to about 2690 BC, which makes it one of the oldest recorded languages known, along with Sumerian.[3]

    Its classical form is known as Middle Egyptian, the vernacular of the Middle Kingdom of Egypt which remained the literary language of Egypt until the Roman period.

  • Sumerian (Sumerian: 𒅴𒂠 EME.G̃IR15 "native tongue") is the language of ancient Sumer and a language isolate that was spoken in Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq). During the 3rd millennium BC, an intimate cultural symbiosis developed between the Sumerians and the Semitic-speaking Akkadians, which included widespread bilingualism.[4] The influence of Sumerian and the East Semitic language Akkadian on each other is evident in all areas, from lexical borrowing on a substantial scale, to syntactic, morphological, and phonological convergence.[4] This has prompted scholars to refer to Sumerian and Akkadian in the third millennium BC as a Sprachbund.[4]

    Akkadian gradually replaced Sumerian as a spoken language around 2000 BC (the exact dating being subject to debate),[5] but Sumerian continued to be used as a sacred, ceremonial, literary and scientific language in Akkadian-speaking Mesopotamian states such as Assyria and Babylonia until the 1st century AD.

    (note well, if Sumerian could be learned as late as 1st C BC, Odin before getting to Sweden, starting the idolatrous sect that continued to Viking Age, could have read Sumerian material - and there are similarities in the mythologies)

  • Akkadian (/əˈkeɪdiən/ akkadû, 𒀝𒅗𒁺𒌑 ak-ka-du-u2; logogram: 𒌵𒆠 URIKI)[2][3] is an extinct East Semitic language that was spoken in ancient Mesopotamia (Akkad, Assyria, Isin, Larsa and Babylonia) from the 30th century BC until its gradual replacement by Akkadian-influenced Eastern Aramaic among Mesopotamians by the eighth century BC.

  • Eblaite /ˈɛblə.aɪt/ (also known as Eblan ISO 639-3), or Paleo Syrian, is an extinct Semitic language which was used during the third millennium BCE by the populations of Northern Syria.[3] It was named after the ancient city of Ebla, in modern western Syria.[3] Variants of the language were also spoken in Mari and Nagar.[3][4] According to Cyrus H. Gordon,[5] although scribes might have spoken it sometimes, Eblaite was probably not spoken much, being rather a written lingua franca with East and West Semitic features.

    (This one could uniquely have been pre-Flood, if it was the original Hebrew, but the other ones couldn't - and I don't think it was, not in the Eblaite tablets, anyway, though original Hebrew could have coincided with either Eblaite or Ugaritic linguistically)

  • Elamite is an extinct language that was spoken by the ancient Elamites. It was used in present-day southwestern Iran from 2600 BC to 330 BC.


This means, whatever you consider as possible for Flood in 2241 BC Biblical timeline, you cannot, you must not align this with 2241 in conventional timeline.

I actually do consider another year better in the real and Biblical timeline, 2957 BC, and even that I will not align with 2957 BC in modern conventional archaeology; rather, with 40 000 BP (as far as carbon dates go) since that aligns with disappearance of Neanderthals and Denisovans as separate lineages (both have left trace DNA in modern lineages, I don't doubt, via Noah's daughters in law).

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
Thirty Martyrs in Rome,
"via Lavicana, between two Laurels"
22.XII.2018

* See this quote:

A seal discovered at the site bears the image of a seated, cross-legged and possibly ithyphallic figure surrounded by animals. The figure has been interpreted by some scholars as a yogi, and by others as a three-headed "proto-Shiva" as "Lord of Animals".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohenjo-daro#Pashupati_seal


** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_first_written_accounts

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