samedi 6 avril 2024

LXX / Vetus Latina as per Julius Africanus : Pre-Flood Period 2262 Years


In other words, there is no problem of where Methuselah was when the Flood came — he was already dead.

The following table also takes into account the overlapping of the generations, after each it is marked who were living in their lifespans (in some cases, the overlap is only for a few years of the younger one's life, but that's rare).

Adam 1 — 930 Seth Enos Cainan Maleleel
Seth 230 — 1142 Adam Enos Cainan Maleleel Jared Enoch
Enos 435 — 1340 Adam Seth Cainan Maleleel Jared Enoch Mathusala
Cainan 625 — 1535 Adam Seth Enos Maleleel Jared Enoch Mathusala Lamech
Maleleel 795 — 1690 Adam Seth Enos Cainan Jared Enoch Mathusala Lamech Noe
Jared 960 — 1922 Seth Enos Cainan Maleleel Enoch Mathusala Lamech Noe
Enoch 1122 — 1487 Seth Enos Cainan Maleleel Jared Mathusala Lamech
Mathusala 1287 — 2256 Enos Cainan Maleleel Jared Enoch Lamech Noe Sem
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Lamech 1454 — 2207 Cainan Maleleel Jared Enoch Mathusala Noe Sem
Noe 1642 — 2592 Maleleel Jared Mathusala Lamech Sem
Sem, Ham, Japheth 2142 Mathusala Lamech Noe
Flood, 2242 Mathusala!
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Lamech 1474 — 2227 Cainan Maleleel Jared Enoch Mathusala Noe Sem
Noe 1662 — 2612 Maleleel Jared Mathusala Lamech Sem Arphaxad [(II) Cainan] Sala | Heber
Sem, Ham, Japheth 2162 Mathusala Lamech Noe Arphaxad [(II) Cainan] Sala | Phaleg
Flood, 2262


Is there a specific reason to believe the reading of Julius Africanus is correct? Check out this one:

Dating Methuselah's Death: Pre or Post Flood? with Henry B. Smith Jr.
Associates for Biblical Research | 8 April 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HwPmoxrK04


Flood, 2262
Noah pre-Flood — 350 1662 — 2612 Maleleel Jared Mathusala Lamech Sem Arphaxad [(II) Cainan] Sala | Heber
Sem pre-Flood — 502 2164 — 2764 Mathusala Lamech Noe Arphaxad [(II) Cainan] Sala Heber | Phaleg
Arphaxad 2 — 537 2264 — 2799 Noe Sem [(II) Cainan] Sala Heber Phaleg | Ragau
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(II) Cainan 137 — 597 2399 — 2859 Noe Sem Arphaxad Sala Heber Phaleg Ragau
Sala 267 — 727 2529 — 2989 Noe Sem Arphaxad (II) Cainan Heber Phaleg Ragau
Heber 397 — 801 2659 — 3063 Sem Arphaxad (II) Cainan Sala Phaleg Ragau Seruch
Phaleg 531 — 870 2793 — 3132 Arphaxad (II) Cainan Sala Heber Ragau Seruch
Ragau 661 — 1000 2923 — 3262 Sala Heber Phaleg Seruch Nachor
Seruch 793 — 1123 3055 — 3385 Heber Phaleg Ragau Nachor Thara
Nachor 923 — 1227 3185 — 3489 Ragau Seruch Nachor Thara
Thara 1102 — 1307 / 1377 + ? 3364 — 3569 / 3639 + ? Seruch Nachor Thara
Abram, Nachor and Arrhan 1172 3434 Nachor Thara
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Sala 137 — 597 2399 — 2859 Noe Sem Arphaxad Sala Heber Phaleg Ragau
Heber 267 — 671 2529 — 2933 Noe Sem Arphaxad Sala Phaleg Ragau Seruch
Phaleg 401 — 740 2663 — 3002 Sem Arphaxad Sala Heber Ragau Seruch
Ragau 531 — 870 2793 — 3132 Arphaxad Sala Heber Phaleg Seruch Nachor
Seruch 663 — 993 2925 — 3255 Heber Phaleg Ragau Nachor Thara
Nachor 793 — 997 ? / 1097 ? 3055 — 3259 ? / 3359 ? Ragau Seruch Thara
Thara 872 — 1075 / 1145 + ? 3134 — 3337 / 3407 + ? Seruch Nachor
Abram, Nachor and Arrhan 942 3204 Seruch Nachor Thara


There are two discrepancies between the standard version of the LXX and the one involved in the Roman Martyrology. That one has no Second (II) Cainan and Nachor begets at 79 rather than 179. I think both are textually attested in manuscripts we have, but even if this were not the case, patristic witness to this version would be sufficient, and we have that insofar that Julius Africanus, whose work is the basis of the Roman Martyrology as to distance between Creation, Flood and Birth of Abraham (except St. Jerome "corrected" the first distance from 2262 to 2242) gives as the latter distance, not 1172 or 1072, as per with a (II) Cainan, and also not 1042, as per without him, but with Nachor begetting Thara at 179, but 942, as per no (II) Cainan and as per Nachor begetting Thara at 79.

These details can be found here, under the pen of Dr. Jonathan Sarfati:

Biblical chronogenealogies
by Jonathan Sarfati | This article is from
Journal of Creation 17(3):14–18, December 2003
https://creation.com/biblical-chronogenealogies


Obviously, this allows Abraham to have spoken to Seruch, who, in Josue 24:2, unlike possibly his son Nachor, certainly his grandson Thara, is not mentioned as an idolater. Abraham had access to pure doctrine and to the historical traditions as preserved within pure doctrine, including in the LXX chronology.

I think someone may have prayed over my getting confronted with this problem of Methuselah's "remaining years after the Flood" in the LXX, and perhaps also reconfronted with the quip, very popular among "Catholic" clergy in Paris, that Abraham was born into a family of idolaters, so that, whatever he received as traditions from the family would have to be "pagan mythology" by definition.

Even if that had been true, it would not have automatically made the traditions historically incorrect. St. Augustine respects the tradition on how Rome was founded and only in theology (about the origin of Romulus) markedly differs from the worshippers of Mars and of Romulus. We also tend to accept as historical the life of Siddharta Gautama, and differ from Buddhists only in theology (including but not limited to this man's supposed pre-existences in previous reincarnations). But, as said, it is not even true. However, some clergy over here would probably be in their 90's and struck by Alzheimer be incapable of taking my replies into account, nevertheless, they are for some reason allowed to guide younger people with healthier minds about what to say about my Young Earth Creationist position. I heard this objection 10 years ago, or more. I answered it pretty quickly too.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Dominica in Albis
7.IV.2024

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