CMI Again Against Geocentrism ...

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It begins to look a little like nagging ... but it's worse they are wrong.

Here is the background:

The Antikythera Mechanism / Testament to ancient human genius
by Gavin Cox | This article is from
Creation 43(4):17–19, October 2021
https://creation.com/antikythera-mechanism

Most learned Greeks at the time of the mechanism’s manufacture believed in a geocentric cosmos (with the earth stationary at the centre). Some did not; some two centuries before the Roman shipwreck off Antikythera, Greek astronomer Aristarchus of Samos argued that the earth rotates and moves around the sun. But without a detailed model nor explanation of why the earth moved, his idea was not widely accepted. So the Antikythera Mechanism reflects the then widely accepted geocentric view of the heavens.

There is a detailed model and an explanation why heavenly bodies move in part in Tychonian orbits, and this means that "detailed model" and "explanation" don't automatically imply adhesion to an idea.

Now, here we come to a new ovation to Galileo, the fact box named "Epicycles, the Bible, and geocentrism".

Here we see a statement like:

The Bible does not teach either a heliocentric or a geocentric solar system. It uses ‘phenomenological’ (descriptive) language to refer to the movement of the sun, moon, and stars.

Examples conspicuously omit Joshua 10.

However, geocentrism was taught by influential Greek philosophers, and became the ‘settled science’ of the day. This later influenced the Roman Catholic Church at the time of Galileo Galilei (AD 1564–1642).

In Tycho's time, the full version of Aristotelic Geocentrism was no longer settled science, and he died in 1601, decades before both Galileo affairs were completed, about 15 years before the first one. One can safely dismiss the idea that Greek philosophy rather than Catholic thought and Bible exegesis was the driving matter in the Galileo affairs, notwithstanding Statham's article to which Gavin refers:

The truth about the Galileo affair
by Dominic Statham Published: 8 November 2018
https://creation.com/galileo-church

and which I already answered over here:

Creation vs. Evolution : Science vs Science, Exegesis vs Exegesis
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2018/11/science-vs-science-exegesis-vs-exegesis.html

It wasn’t until Isaac Newton (AD 1643–1727) that it was widely accepted that the earth as well as the planets really did orbit the sun.

The point is not just that he offered an explanation, he also overlooked the previously accepted one, angelic movers. And his theses were spread by the Masonic Master Desaguliers:

John Theophilus Desaguliers FRS (12 March 1683 – 29 February 1744) was a British natural philosopher, clergyman, engineer and freemason who was elected to the Royal Society in 1714 as experimental assistant to Isaac Newton. He had studied at Oxford and later popularized Newtonian theories and their practical applications in public lectures. Desaguliers's most important patron was James Brydges, 1st Duke of Chandos. As a Freemason, Desaguliers was instrumental in the success of the first Grand Lodge in London in the early 1720s and served as its third Grand Master.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Theophilus_Desaguliers

His father was a Huguenot, too. Not a good premonition, anymore than him being a Mason.

Back to Joshua 10, which was mentioned very specifically in the arguments around the first Galileo affair, when a book was condemned (Assayer?). I debated this with a certain Vy (no longer sure at all of his full name, this is how I anonymised him) over at FB:

HGL'S F.B. WRITINGS : A "Biblical" Heliocentric Misciting Holy Scripture
http://hglsfbwritings.blogspot.com/2014/11/a-biblical-heliocentric-misciting-holy.html

And I wrote a whole essay to labour the point : when God ordered Sun and Moon to stand still, as Joshua ordered them, He made Himself a warrant for Sun and Moon being, as adressed by Joshua, the things (or at least among the things) that changed behaviour:

New blog on the kid : Columbus and Joshua (Imagine Christopher Columbus had worked a miracle)
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2014/11/columbus-and-joshua-imagine-christopher.html

Gavin Cox concludes his essay:

So the question they pose, as a potential objection to their conclusions, is: How could the ancient Greeks have achieved such precise manufacturing?

Given that they were Geocentric, and that Gavin thinks this erronous, he would have to admit that making precise achievements by Heliocentric assumptions (if operational at all) doesn't prove Heliocentrism.

Now, do Retrogrades do so?

The earth is orbiting faster than Mars and outer planets. When the earth overtakes these, the planets appear to move backwards. Think about what happens when you are in a car that overtakes a slower one. When you look out the window, the slower car seems to be moving backwards compared to you.

In the diagram, the numbers mean different times in the orbit of Earth and Mars. The curve on the right means the position of the planets as they appear against the background of the stars.

Fair enough, but with Tychonian orbits of the planets and angels making sure they don't get out of orbit, Earth standing still and Mars performing part of its oval around the Sun along with the general movement around Earth will have exactly the same effect.

So, do angelic movers make sense from the Bible? Yes, they do. CMI could rightly use Psalm 73:13 as a proof for dinos being eliminated (not necesarily all of them, but at least the biggest and most obnoxious ones) during the Flood. The genre poetry doesn't preclude literal truth of statements. Now, Judges 5 has a passage that only makes sense if either stars are alive - which would have the same effect for above argument - or stars (including in the then terminology planets) are moved by angels.

War from heaven was made against them, the stars remaining in their order and courses fought against Sisara.

Not to mention Job 38:7:

When the morning stars praised me together, and all the sons of God made a joyful melody?

Only living beings can be said to fight against Sisara or praise God together or be called "the sons of God". And only for heavenly bodies would one have "stars remaining in their order and courses".

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Giles
1.IX.221

In provincia Narbonensi sancti A[e]gidii, Abbatis et Confessoris, cujus nomine est appellatum oppidum, quod postea crevit in loco, ubi ipse monasterium erexerat et mortalis vitae cursum absolverat.