Obviously, Other People Make Discoveries Too

Dr. Kurt Wise didn't plagiarise me to get this done:

Does the Order of Fossils Match Evolutionary Theory? - Dr. Kurt Wise
Is Genesis History? | 17 Aug. 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfzU_Mz6bMk

When It Comes to Young Earth Creationist Calibrations in Carbon 14, I Feel a Bit Like Being in Dnepropetrovsk ....

I have a 1:37 friend in Minsk who has a friend in 1:41 Pinsk whose friend in Omsk has friend in 1:43 Tomsk with friend in Akmolinsk his friend in 1:47 Alexandrovsk has friend in Petropavlovsk 1:50 whose friend somehow is solving now the 1:52 problem in Dnepro- [1:54] Petrovsk

I tend to avoid this song because of the Russian "My God" but in this video, it's followed by "I am nothing" so it is kind of a prayer:

Tom Lehrer's Lobachevsky — First Ever Dramatization
Peter Nichols | 15 Sept. 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kVntqCe6HY

Either way, I'm not the guy who is telling us of having a friend in Minsk ... these tables are mine:

Newer Tables: Preliminaries · Flood to Joseph in Egypt · Joseph in Egypt to Fall of Troy.

This proposal of reworking them in various ways with Amenophis II as Pharao of the Exodus, to which I have received no reply, is also mine:

What If Exodus was 18th Dynasty and not 13th? · Testing for Pharao of Exodus = Amenophis II, with Three Alternative's for Joseph's Pharao · Advice, perhaps? · There Was a Time When Young Earth Creationists Wanted This Kind of Stuff

I have not stolen them from someone who knows the man in Dnepropetrovsk. I am the man in Dnepropetrovsk./HGL

Did Joseph's Famine Extend Into Western Europe?

Now when the seven years of the plenty that had been in Egypt were past The seven years of scarcity, which Joseph had foretold, began to come: and the famine prevailed in the whole world, but there was bread in all the land of Egypt
[Genesis 41:53-54]

What exact year did Jacob go to Egypt?

Joseph was between 37 and 44.* Jacob was himself 130. We must presume he was fairly virile up to 90 sth, 86 to 93, not unlike his grandfather Abraham who had children with Ketura after being widowed of Sarah, with whom he had a boy-child at age 100. Jacob was born when his father Isaac was 60. So, Isaac would have been 190 years, except he had died ten years earlier at 180. As Isaac was born 100 years after his father, this is 290 years after Abraham's birth. 2015 BC (according to the Roman Martyrology) - 290 = 1725 BC.

While I may remake tables to fit an Exodus in 1446 and Amenophis II as the Pharao, I don't feel the tables I made earlier are totally useless. What would according to them** 1725 BC carbon date as?

1739 BC

86.754 pmC, dated as 2914 BC

1736 BC

Isaac died

1726 BC

Jacob came to Egypt.

1720 BC

87.148 pmC, dated as 2857 BC

So, between 2914 BC and 2857 BC. Let's quote a video, shall we?***

this also stresses how small the initial population that repopulated Western Europe must have been 14:52 essentially a small family clan that once they settled in Central Europe started to be successful and then went 14:59 on to occupy the whole of Western Europe this again was facilitated by the fact 15:05 that most of Western Europe had become almost completely depopulated for example the Bell Beaker culture people who 15:12 colonized the British Islands were genetically identical to how they were already in Central Europe

When was this?

The genome wide ad-12:42 mixture they were getting via these females by the time they reached Central Europe around 2800 BC the Chorded Ware 12:50 Horizon people had around 30% admixture from the Neolithic Farmers quite a 12:56 significant amount but not surprising given how fast a small population can 13:01 change genetically when they start incorporating foreign genes into their pool. Then during their stay in Central 13:08 Europe this ad mixture increased to around 50%. By circa 2500 BC however ...

... the admixture from Neolithic farmers ceases in Central Europe. So, 2800 BC and 2500 BC where when?°

Starting out 1700 BC

87.541 pmC, dated as 2800 BC

1687 BC

Joseph dies.°°

1678 BC

89.449 pmC, dated as 2600 BC

1656 BC

91.353 pmC, dated as 2404 BC

So, 1700 BC and around 1667 BC. Note, according to the video*** I have quoted, we do not observe archaeologically lots of Neolithic populations 2800 to 2500 BC. We just observe Steppe populations gaining and then ceasing to gain admixture from Neolithic Farmer pretty certainly women. They then meet some more after arriving into the Iberic Peninsula.

Meanwhile the Neolithic Population survives near the Mediterranean, Greece, Anatolia, Iberic Peninsula, where Sea Trade with Egypt would have been possible. And probably some Neolithic Farmer women would have survived by abandoning agriculture for the Steppe Nomadism, if they came rapidly enough.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Richard of Chichester
3.IV.2025

In Anglia sancti Richardi, Episcopi Cicestrensis, sanctitate et miraculorum gloria conspicui.

* The seven plentiful years start when he was 30 and end when he was 37, the seven poor years start when he was 37 and end when he was 44.

** Newer Tables, Flood to Joseph in Egypt

*** Did the Corded Ware speak Basque? An alternative view on the spread of Indo European pt.1
Yamokante | 9 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J18e8jEMQU

° Newer Tables, Joseph in Egypt to Fall of Troy

°° 110 when he died, Genesis 50:25. 1678 + 110 = 1788, 1788 - 37 = 1751 ... oops, I miscounted ...

Forrest Valkai Debunked Will Spencer, or So He Thought

Creation vs. Evolution: Forrest Valkai Debunked Will Spencer, or So He Thought · Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: How Do We Know History?

Here is the Video by Will Spencer:

What Your Teachers Won't Tell You About EVOLUTION
The Will Spencer Podcast | 8 Febr. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARBTZEE1Qxs

Here is the supposed debunk:

When Creationism becomes Conspiracy Theory | Reacteria
Forrest Valkai | 1 April 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgp1GUdydXs

Before going to the title quote, here is a quote about Darwinism leading to Racism in the past, which Will Spencer considered as a logical conclusion:

those are absolutely not 40:35 logical conclusions the only reason that early biologists believed things like 40:41 that is because they didn't have the data that we do today so they just went 40:46 along with their worldview which was already warped with that kind of racism

Now, there are a few things to unpack here.

1) The "early biologists" (actually early evolutionists, biology had been around for quite a while) went beyond logical conclusions, because they believed things (like racism) anyway.

a) Not true. 1900 was way more racist than 1800, for a reason, the Theory of Evolution.
b) But even if it were true, what about the things that people now believe "anyway"?

2) The early Evolutionists went beyond logical conclusions, because they didn't have the data we do today.

a) And we are supposed to have all the data we'll have 50 years from now?
b) or, at least, the data we lack, unlike the ones those guys lacked, are not supposed to be the needed antidote to sth which otherwise only Christian dogma could save us from?

3) While Will Spencer actually evoked Racism, he stated "more evolved than others" and by contrast "less evolved" ... the actual wording "intermediate forms" is tying it to racism, but if we exchange that to "less evolved" it seems the same conclusion is being drawn today.

Only, the modern version is:
a) those mental traits were really useful when trying to survive
b) but now they have lost their purpose and tend to make society more violent or the individual less happy in it ...

Psychiatry has taken the place of Eugenics, without always leaving Eugenics totally behind.

Now, to the kind of statement that Forrest Valkai termed "conspiracy theory" here is the wording of Will Spencer:

second anyone questioning 1:51 Evolution faces public outrage people 1:54 risk their reputations by speaking up 1:56 and not just scientists either even 1:58 everyday people like and me feel afraid 2:01 to ask informed questions there's no 2:03 logical reason for this fear except for 2:06 the third reason because Darwin created 2:08 his origin Theory to replace another 2:11 explanation of our Origins the one from 2:13 the Bible as you can probably now see 2:16 Evolution has won this battle at the 2:19 institutional level

This is basically what Forrest Valkai considers a conspiracy theory, and instead of proving that Institutions are genuinely open to Creationists, he states "the real reason is, Evolution is such a good theory" ... he can get away with it with lots of the public because of precisely the institutuions still dominated by the theory, and who prone trust in such statements and in arguments backing them up.

Now, Forrest comes with another contradiction to Will Spencer, namely, "there is no shaming of Creationists" and he cites the fact that Will tries to promote Creationism as a proof there is no such shaming.

He also brags about project Steve, in response to 1000 signatures for Creationism, he cites 1600 signatures for Evolution and condemning Creationism by scientists named Steve ... so, in response to the charge of deliberate marginalisation shaping what people see, he cites the extent of the marginalisation. I consider that an own goal.*

But apart from that, under Will's video, there is a comment pretty close to the top, which illustrates the shaming:

Jure Ambrož

@jureambroz9557

It really is insane that you can just lie with no consequences and be smug while doing so

So, he is basically asking for Will Spencer to be censored and punished for "spreading misinformation" or in cruder Communist terms, "just lie" ... he is also outraged at Will Spencer showing no signs of qualms of conscience. Could this Jure Ambrož be the same as I find in ...

O fakulteti / Zaposleni: Jure Ambrož
https://www.bf.uni-lj.si/sl/o-fakulteti/zaposleni/2022012513144089/ambroz-jure

... a faculty in Ljubljana? (Biotechnic faculty of the University of Ljuljana)

I have stated more than once, economically, Jugoslavia was not Marxist Leninist, since it was highly Distributist (Kulak friendly). I can add, unfortunately, in learning and culture and education, Jugoslavia unfortunately was Marxist Leninist, and one sign thereof is the habit of calling Creationists (or other proponents of Christianity as being factually true, not just socially useful) liars. I have unfortunately been around a step father from Romania, an Anti-Communist in economic terms, and in attitude to Bureaucracy, who had this Communist attitude towards Christianity.

Yes, even if Will Spencer says the things are fortunately starting to change, they have far from changed everywhere.

And so, no, the statement is NOT a Conspiracy theory.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Nicetius of Lyons
2.IV.2025

* An own goal occurs in sports when a player performs actions that result in scoring points for the opposition, such as when a footballer puts a ball into their own net.

There Was a Time When Young Earth Creationists Wanted This Kind of Stuff

What If Exodus was 18th Dynasty and not 13th? · Testing for Pharao of Exodus = Amenophis II, with Three Alternative's for Joseph's Pharao · Advice, perhaps? · There Was a Time When Young Earth Creationists Wanted This Kind of Stuff

CARBON-14 Dating Models and Experimental Implications
By Paul Giem | Published 2006
https://www.academia.edu/127215895/CARBON_14_Dating_Models_and_Experimental_Implications

Any model of carbon-14 dating must satisfy certain constraints. First, since carbon-14 dating is objective and reproducible, it cannot be ignored. One cannot simply dismiss it out of hand; there should be an explanatory model for the data. Second, it has been validated at least back to 300 B.C. by comparison with many other reliable dating methods. 1 Therefore, any model must account for this data, and it is not reasonable to consider carbon-14 dating completely unreliable before that point, particularly when used as a relative dating method.

I started providing my take in 2015, Correction de la table, taux de C14, et implications. I made major updates pretty quickly. I did an overhaul with a few updates this Christmas. Newer Tables: Preliminaries · Flood to Joseph in Egypt · Joseph in Egypt to Fall of Troy.

My explanation model is simple:

1) In the Flood year, Carbon 14 was very low. Before the Flood it wasn't higher, and as a percentage, whatever the case with absolute quantities, but arguably in absolute quantities too, it had been produced at a lower rate than now.

2) From the Flood to a certain point, Carbon 14 started rising with a more than 10 times quicker production of Carbon 14 than now in some early post-Flood times. This would have been acted out by angelic movers of Sun and other celestial bodies emitting cosmic radiation, as part of God's intention of reducing human lifespans, and its side effects were a quicker rise of Carbon 14 as well as at least part of the explanation for the Ice Age. I do not dispute the validity of Michael Oard's model about heated water after the Flood, as far as the explanation is valid, I just think the Cosmic Radiation speeded up the process. Yes, ionising particles in the atmosphere will cool the weather.*

3) This has not continued, we can be fairly certain that Carbon 14 has already reached an equilibrium. That's why Carbon 14 works for "at least back to 300 BC" (I started out putting that point at c. 500 BC, taking of Jerusalem by Babylonians, I pushed it back to Fall of Troy).**

4) There may have been or not been a point where Carbon 14 was higher than 100 pmC, before 750 BC (notably founding of Rome) was dated as 550 BC in the Hallstatt plateau.

5) By nodes between Bible and archaeology, the rise can be figured out.

This explanation model remains the same when I mistook the carbon date for Genesis 14 as "3200 BC" (as per end of chalcolithic overall) and when I corrected it to "3500 BC" (carbon dates of reed mats evacuated from Asason-Tamar / En-Geddi, yes, this has been excavated and dated). If I now were to change a 13th Dynasty Pharao for Amenophis II as Pharao of the Exodus, this would change my calibration, but not my explanation model.

Changing the point of reached equilibrium from 1179 BC (fall of Troy) to Exodus, with real date 1446 BC, dated between 1457 and 1424 BC, would change my calibration and my Biblical chronology (I could also say that it's really 1510 BC that dates as 1457 / 1424, that's what I was asking advice about ... that would be a "higher than 100 pmC point" if that were the case, see point 4). It would still not change my explanation model.

For some reason, once I started providing, interest is not the way it was when Paul Giem made the statement in 2006. Perhaps because I'm Catholic. Perhaps because I use a Biblical Chronology codified in the Roman Martyrology reading for Christmas Day, sometimes referred to as the Christmas Proclamation***. Or perhaps because I use Göbekli Tepe as calibration points for Babel (beginning after Noah died, ending when Peleg was later born, the LXX chronology nearly fits a tradition of it being 40 years if there is no Second Cainan, if on the other hand there is, the beginning must be calibrated as way after Noah died). Or perhaps both.

Paul Giem seems to be a Seventh Day Adventist.° Not the most Catholic friendly denomination there is on the Protestant spectrum. To the point that my maternal grandmother, an agnostic verging on atheist, when I converted to Catholicism in 1988 asked me specifically to not tell my paternal grandmother, who was still a Seventh Day Adventist. I obeyed because I lived with my maternal grandmother. Also a good point in case anyone pretends I'm incel because of my faith hampering my sexual daring, my living with granny was very hampering irrespective of my religion. Yes, my Atheist (or on and off Theist but mostly Atheist) granny made the social life impossible which I would have needed to get a fiancée.

So, part of the problem could be, CMI and others might lose a huge chunk of their support if they offended SDA. This could be both about LXX (Jack Rand / RnJ answering my comments, see Agreeing with Robert Carter on Skeleta, Disagreeing on LXX) and about Göbekli Tepe (SDA could be so ignorant of geography as to say "Babel was in Mesopotamia, which is Iraq, not Turkey" ...). So, it's not too improbable that SDA and some others are waiting for me to get around to SDA positions. Not likely. No, YEC isn't specifically an SDA position, while they were unique among Protestants, Catholics were still very commonly YEC.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Deposition of Abbot
St. Eustace of Luxeuil
29.III.2025

In monasterio Luxoviensi, in Gallia, depositio sancti Eustasii Abbatis, qui sancti Columbani discipulus et ferme sexcentorum Monachorum Pater fuit; ac, vitae sanctitate conspicuus, etiam miraculis claruit.

* The Little Ice Age was missing from the Southern Hemisphere, which I put down to there being less land and more water there, but in the Northern Hemisphere it coincided with a rise in pmC values. 1750 carbon dates (uncalibrated raw dates) as 1950, 1850 as 1850 and 1950 as 1750. Back in the Little Ice Age, Charles X Gustav could cross the Belt on the ice sheet with the whole army, today it's unlikely to be even covered with ice in winter.

** If the pmC has risen from 80 to 100 since Fall of Troy, that corresponds to the halflife being twice as long as 5730 years, namely 11460 years. If the halflife is 5730 but the pmC is rising, the apparent halflife will be shorter than 5730 years. So, if the pmC is rising and the apparent halflife is 5730 years, the real halflife must be longer. It's more economic to assume the actual and apparent halflife are both 5730 years and so stability has been reached since quite a long time ago.

*** It was originally left out from Novus Ordo it would seem, and then in the 1990's they created a new version, the first translation by the USCBC starting "unknowing ages" ...

° Paul A. Giem, MD
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Emergency Medicine
https://llu.edu/academics/faculty/giem-paul/education

Loma Linda University is "A Seventh-day Adventist Organization"

Advice, perhaps?

What If Exodus was 18th Dynasty and not 13th? · Testing for Pharao of Exodus = Amenophis II, with Three Alternative's for Joseph's Pharao · Advice, perhaps? · There Was a Time When Young Earth Creationists Wanted This Kind of Stuff

Before I could replace Newer Tables partly (from IV—V on) with taking Amenophis II instead of a 13th Dynasty Pharao, I'd need to consider whether I'd take the carbon date 1457 as basically 1446 (as per Assyrian chronology and 480 years in III Kings 6 being exact) or whether I take it as an alias for the real year 1510 BC, as the Exodus is dated in the Roman Martyrology.

III Kings 6:1 And *it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of the reign of Solomon over Israel, in the month Zio, (the same is the second month) he began to build a house to the Lord.

Ver. 1. Eightieth year. This chronology meets with the approbation of most people. See Usher. (Chap. xii.) Some, however, find a difficulty in reconciling it with Acts xiii. 20., which seems to attribute 450 years to the government of the judges. (Calmet) --- Septuagint have 440; Josephus 592, though Ruffin neglects the 90 in his version; Petau 520; Severus 582; Clement of Alexandria 566; Vossius 580; Cano 590; Serarius 680. --- Houbigant would read 350 in the Acts. But Capellus would add 100 here, &c. (Haydock) --- Second of the sacred year, corresponding with our April. Syriac, Chaldean styles it "of the splendour of flowers." (Menochius) --- The Hurons, and other nations of America, call this "the moon of plants;" the Flemings, "the month for mowing," Grasmaand. Our Saxon ancestors gave descriptive names to the months. See Verstegan. (Haydock) --- At first, the Hebrews only described the months by their order; "first, second," &c. In Solomon's time we begin to find other names, taken from the Phenicians, (Scaliger) Chaldean names were adopted; (Haydock) 1. Nisan; 2. Jar; 3. Sivan; 4. Tammus; 5. Ab; 6. Elul; 7. Tisri; 8. Marshevan; 9. Casleu; 10. Thebet; 11. Schebet; 12. Adar; (Calmet) 13. Veadar, the intercalary month, when requisite, according to the lunar system, which was not perhaps yet adopted. Each of these months generally corresponded with two of ours; Nisan with the end of March and the beginning of April, &c. Septuagint here take no notice of Zio, though they do, ver. 37. (Haydock) --- The temple was begun on Monday, May 21, in the year of the world 2992. (Usher) --- It was finished in the year of the world 3000, or in the following year, when it was solemnly dedicated. (Button.)

In the former case, I'd have to make a remake of the chronology. I'd immediately get the pre-Flood time corrected to 2262 years instead of 2242. I could chose between two different LXX readings of Genesis 11, without or with the II Cainan. Most parts of the table would be the same.

		without II Cainan		with II Cainan
Temple		966		966
King David		915		915
Jericho		1406		1406
Exodus		1446		1446
Genesis 14		1870		1870
Promise		1876		1876
Birth of Abraham		1950		1950
Babel		2491		2491
Flood		2892		3020
Creation		5154		5282

Of these years, I'd only make tables for:

		without II Cainan		with II Cainan
Exodus		1446		1446
Genesis 14		1870		1870
(Promise)		1876		1876
(Birth of Abraham)		1950		1950
Babel		2491		2491
Flood		2892		3020
Creation		5154		5282

The items in brackets would not be nodes.

On the other hand, if I stick to the Roman martyrology, and I accept Amenophis II, I'm obliged to argue that the bases of conventional Egyptian chronology after his time have been shortened, but only to the time of the fall of Troy:

1179 BC

dated as 1179 BC

1510 BC

dated as 1424 BC

dated as 1457 BC

331 actual years would be conventionally dated as only 278 or even as 245 years. Here is where the advice comes in. Is this possible? I don't know.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Annunciation of Our Lady
25.III.2025

Annuntiatio beatissimae Virginis Genitricis Dei Mariae.

I Just Saw a Breakdown of Neo-Nazi Groups, Looked Up Nordfront, and Found Wernher von Braun

Wernher von Braun föddes den 23 mars 1912 i den tyska provinsen Posen (som etniskt rensades på tyskar efter kriget och nu är en del av Polen). Han anses som raketforskningens fader och mannen som förde människan till månen.

Nordfront: Wernher von Braun – mannen som förde människan till månen
Publicerad: 2018-03-23 00:00
https://nordfront.se/wernher-von-braun-mannen-som-forde-manniskan-till-manen

The Neo-Nazi group that is fairly close to Nordfront (but separate entities) is the Nordic Resistance Movement. I'm not totally happy with members bombing a refugee shelter and seriously injuring one, I'd have preferred no serious violence at all (they think the violence is a necessity, I hope they are wrong). But I am happy that they didn't actually kill anyone. Meanwhile, Nordfront is a journalistic enterprise. This article is probably refeatured every 23 of March since 2018 when it was published, since it's Wernher von Braun's birthday, back in 1912 (one week before the death of Karl May, and no, he wasn't racist, he was pretty pro-German chauvinist, but not a racist), and the first point they make is, Wernher von Braun was born in Posen, not present Poznań, but retrospectively called Prowincja Poznańska. The particular division of country around the city of Posen or Poznań has been reorganised, as Germans were subject to ethnic cleansing after WW-II. However, Wernher von Braun was in fact not just a German patriot, but also an official in the Nazi Era German Reich, and a member of the party and of the SS.

After the war, he came to the US.

He actually constructed useable rockets, including space rockets.

Now, in so far as spacecraft are a parallel to airplanes in getting off the ground, Wernher von Braun would be parallel to Orville and Wilbur Wright. Meanwhile, the air plane paper constructions of Leonardo da Vinci are pretty useless. However, he was a precursor to Orville and Wilbur.

Readers of my blog will be aware that I consider Wernher von Braun had a similar precursor, who absolutely couldn't have pulled it off. And that he was sth far worse than a National Socialist, bad as that on occasion may be, namely Nimrod Ben Kush. Based on what?

a) Graham Hancock, who believed in Ancient Alien Astronauts and maybe still does, considered Göbekli Tepe looks as if it were constructed as a landing place for alien spacecraft.
b) I do not believe in Aliens, but I cannot preclude Ancient Aspiring Austronauts, and GMr. Hancock's remark set me looking things up. Tower described in ways compatible with rocket, check. Göbekli Tepe fits the Geography, check. Göbekli Tepe is preceded by linguistic or at least cultural unity from Indonesia to Spain, check. Göbekli Tepe is followed by blatant cultural and obviously even linguistic diversity, check. Göbekli Tepe, like Babel, comes somewhere midway between Flood and Genesis 14, check.

And Nimrod wanted to get into heaven. I e into outer space. And God's remark doesn't include the word "lest" in English:

And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this, neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed Come ye, therefore, let us go down, and there confound their tongue, that they may not understand one another's speech
[Genesis 11:6-7]

Compare:

And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever
[Genesis 3:22]

There are two "lest" in Genesis 3, verses 3 and 22. It's the Hebrew conjunction "pen-" ... but there is only one "lest" or "pen-" in Genesis 11, verse 4.

God is not stating He tries to avoid men accomplishing what they had undertaken.

We must see the confusion of their language, the halting of their project, as a temporary halt, meant to allow knowledge to accumulate, since Wernher von Braun was just a little bit better equipped in know-how and applicable knowledge than Nimrod back in the Neolithic. This also answers an Atheist talking point: "if God was angry at a tower, why has He allowed skyscrapers and even spacecraft now" ... the text in Genesis 11 actually doesn't state that God is angry. If someone's mummy wags her head, takes a nearly just toddler away from the stove and tells him to put on an oven glove before taking out the cookie he baked, doesn't mean she is angry with him, just that she cares for his safety.

On this view, Wernher von Braun is actually prophecied in this chapter of the Bible. Another prophecy of the Bible was accomplished last week.

Though thou be exalted as an eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars: thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord
[Abdias (Obadiah) 1:4]

And some spacemen were safely brought down:

'Stranded' Astronauts Spent 9 Months in Space. Here's How Much They Might Earn – and Why It Doesn't Include Overtime
David Chiu Wed, March 19, 2025 at 6:56 PM GMT+1
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/stranded-astronauts-spent-9-months-175623510.html

I would say at nine months they can be said to have nested among the stars. Nests being to egg hatching what nine months are to pregnancies. Hat tip to Allie Beth Stuckey for mentioning this fact.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Oculi LD
23.III.2025