jeudi 31 décembre 2020

New overview of bases of C14 dating


These bases are common to the conventual dating of recent 3 millennia usually shared by us Creationists, to conventual dating giving "30 000 years ago" and to my recalibration of less recent millennia, with time implications calibrated between real time since and carbon mirage from start.

Whichever be the nature of the crude carbon time implications, the sizes are the same before calibration, and here is how I get these:

0.5^(1/16) 0.5^(1/256)
0.5^(2/16) 0.5^(2/256)
...
0.5^(15/16) 0.5^(15/256)
0.5^(16/16) 0.5^(16/256)

So, I use fraction 1/16 to 16/16, 1/256 to 16/256 (=1/16) for what power I raise the decimal fraction 0.5 to.

5730*(1/16) 5730*(1/256)
5730*(2/16) 5730*(2/256)
...
5730*(15/16) 5730*(15/256)
5730*(16/16) 5730*(16/256)

Here it is the years of the halflife which are multiplied with the same fractions. These go together. After 5730 years "times 16/16" (which is simply 5730 years), I get 0.5 "to the power of 16/16" (which is simply 0.5 or half) of the C14 level I start with. If I doubled the years, I'd have to raise 0.5 to 2 and get 0.25. But here is simply shorter spans of time, since any one that is longer, I can take 5730 or multiples of it and for the fraction I can halve it.

Long Short
Years  Fraction Years Fraction
 
358.125  0.9576032807 22.3828125 0.99729605609
716.25 0.9170040432 44.765625 0.99459942348
1074.375 0.87812608019 67.1484375 0.99191008243
1432.5 0.84089641525 89.53125 0.98922801319
1790.625 0.80524516597 111.9140625 0.98655319613
2148.75 0.7711054127 134.296875 0.98388561162
2506.875 0.73841307297 156.6796875 0.9812252401
2865 0.70710678119 179.0625 0.97857206209
3223.125 0.67712777347 201.4453125 0.97592605812
3581.25 0.64841977733 223.828125 0.97328720879
3939.375 0.62092890604 246.2109375 0.97065549476
4297.5 0.5946035575 268.59375  0.96803089675
4655.625 0.56939431738 290.9765625 0.96541339549
5013.75 0.54525386633 313.359375 0.96280297182
5371.875 0.52213689121 335.7421875 0.96019960658
5730 0.5  358.125 0.9576032807
 
Ultrashort:
5730*(1/512) = 11.19140625 0.5^(1/512) = 0.99864711289


So, suppose I am talking of 5013.75 + 313.359375 + 11.19140625 years, this being 5338.30078125 years, I need to get the fractions 0.54525386633 * 0.96280297182 * 0.99864711289, which is 0.52426181499, or in other words, 5338 years imply 52.426 pmC.

Or, if I talk of 1074.375 - 67.1484375 - 11.19140625 years, which is 996.03515625, I need the fractions, 0.87812608019 / (0.99191008243 * 0.99864711289) which is 0.88648730428, in other words, 996 years imply 88.649 pmC.

Let's check this with carbon 14 dating calculator:

Carbon 14 Dating Calculator
https://www2.math.upenn.edu/~deturck/m170/c14/carbdate.html


I put 5338 years into upper slot of upper square, and calculate the Carbon 14 left as 52.428 pmC. I put 88.649 pmC into upper slot of lower square and get 1000 +/- 5 (and 996 is only 4 less than 1000, so within the margin of error).

By copying the fractions to a paper, I think I have a tool fairly equivalent to the carbon 14 dating calculator. How I calibrate*, and how this relates to what info I think can trump the crude carbon date, is obviously a question of what I think reliable - namely, the Bible.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Sylvester
31.XII.2020

* Creation vs. Evolution : New Tables
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2020/08/new-tables.html

jeudi 24 décembre 2020

Circularity between disciplines


I recall the book by Andrews*, Swedish translation of two writings, which were later combined in original English under the new title From Nothing to Nature.

Geologists date fossils taking the evolutionary model into account. Evolutionists date them taking geology into account ... who says the circle is ever broken?

That's one of the contributions to my Creationist thought.

For C14 I have other models, like I know that it works for recent centuries and at least two millennia - and my latest update, not yet into tables, is, a man who was Cro-Magnon by father, Neanderthal by mother (that is by mitochondriae) was dated to 35000 BP. This pushes the carbon date for the Flood forth to 33000 BC. And pushes the carbon content back then up to over 2 pmC. And makes the buildup from then to Babel (Göbekli Tepe) a matter of 9.66 times faster than at present.

For "geological column" it still works very well, and for C14 it is somewhat relevant as one claims independent support from tree rings.

Now, I am not alone in this, here is Alinei:

Renfrew was the first scholar to point out the circularity in the interdisciplinary relationship between archaeology and linguistics, the circularity which had contributed to the crystallization of the traditional theory. Archaeology started from the assumption that the linguistic conclusions regarding the IE prehistory were reliable and based itself on them in elaborating its own ideas. Linguistics relied on archaeological interpretations of IE, considering them independent and objective, although they were derived from linguistics [Renfrew 1987, 18-19]. This critical observation is of great importance because it provides the only possible explanation of the mystery of statements like "as it has been demonstrated by archaeology" or "as it has been demonstrated by linguistics", which are totally unfounded, but which have found their way into innumerable manualsof historical linguistics and archaeology.


Mario Alinei, Merits and Limits of Renfrew's Theory, "Quaderni di Semantica" 27, 2006.
Translation from Italian, with revisions, of Chapter 10 (Meriti e limiti della teoria di Renfrew) of Le origini delle lingue d’Europa. Vol. I. La teoria della continuità, Bologna, Il Mulino, 1996. English translation by S. Kostic.
http://www.continuitas.org/texts/alinei_merits.pdf


Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Christmas Eve
24.XII.2020

* Edgar Andrews.

mercredi 2 décembre 2020

A second look at part of the evidence


1) Creation vs. Evolution Number of Alleles Question (on Junior High Genetics Level), 2) Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl CMI / Carl Wieland on "Genetic Entropy" Theme, 3) Creation vs. Evolution I missed a point in Sanford, 4) A second look at part of the evidence

Second, despite pervasive and demonstrable natural selection among these viruses, the 1918 version of the human H1N1 virus went extinct, twice, at the appearance of a competing strain, apparently due to a lack of robustness caused by mutation accumulation. The first time was in 1957 when a competing serotype appeared. After an accidental reintroduction of human H1N1 in 1976, the second extinction occurred when a recombined version of the swine H1N1 appeared in humans, and after more than 10% of the human H1N1 genome had ‘rusted away’.


More evidence for the reality of genetic entropy
by Robert W. Carter | This article is from
Journal of Creation 28(1):16–17, April 2014
https://creation.com/evidence-for-genetic-entropy


What does this prove?

It proves, not that all organisms indistinctly have genetic entropy, but that H1N1 has entropy in humans.

Why this observation on the implication?

Because the new strains outcompeting them from swine had not suffered as much entropy.

Why would H1N1 suffer more entropy in humans? Immune systems. European races have for centuries been selected for strong immune systems (this backfires with unusual levels of allergy, I think), and this means, un-mutated viruses have less of a chance in immune systems that have already been exposed.

The virus every time it attacks the same host needs a new mutation to slip through, and this means, the more robust viruses that are not mutated are selected against by human immune systems. This means, every virus is likely to get weaker and weaker, at least except those that never leave the host.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Viviane of Rome
2.XII.2020

mardi 1 décembre 2020

6078 Words


Genesis 1:1 to 11:32, taking away all verse numbers, has in the Greek LXX (Septuagint) 6078 words.

Iliad A', taking away all line numbers, has in Greek 4522 words.

The way in which Homer was transmitted from the poet himself to Peisistratus' time, or that of his sons, was by poet apprentices learning song after song (24 of the Iliad, 24 of the Odyssey, a few hymns) by heart.

This means, the 6078 words of the Greek LXX would be a possible feat to memorise orally.

So, this is a challenge to CMI (or others interested) : learn the first 11 chapters of Genesis by heart.

I am supposing all of it was transmitted orally, except chapter 1, since it was revealed to Moses on Sinai, while the chapters from 12 to 50 could be preserved in writing in the single Beduin tribe of Abraham and get stocked in Egypt. Homer, to make a scene easy to recall, stated the same thing over and over again, and used long descriptions so the audience (including the apprentice poets) were able to pick it up, the flow was not too fast. The redactors from Adam to Abraham would have instead made each "chapter" short, so it could be repeated over and over again. In fact, Bible chapters were divided by a bishop who was riding on hunt, and who knew all the Bible by heart.

Classically, scrolls of the books of the Bible have always been divided by blank spaces at the end (petuhoth) or middle (setumoth) of the lines. However, Langton is believed to be the one who divided the Bible into the standard modern arrangement of chapters. While Cardinal Hugo de Sancto Caro is also known to have come up with a systematic division of the Bible (between 1244 and 1248), it is Langton's arrangement of the chapters that remains in use today.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Langton

But while we cannot rely on all pieces of Genesis "chapters 1 to 11" or even "2 to 11" (as the portion is known since Stephen Langton's day) correspond to Langton's chapters, we note that his chapter divisions often coincide with natural divisions of the content.

If on top of that chapter 1 (772 words, like JRRTOLKIEN adds up to 772 in ASCII, but that's before I took out the extra words, 1, 2 ... 31 that just number the verses, which are an even later division), if on top of that chapter 1 was not originally transmitted, but was revealed to Moses, this makes the burden on a memory even shorter. 772 - 31 = 741. 6078 - 741 = 5337. And 5337 is not all that much longer than Iliad A'. It's 118 % of it.

In other words, if Greeks could learn all of the Iliad, patriarchs could learn the reports on what happened from previous patriarchs, plus the ones they were redacting, in both cases by heart.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Nahum
1.XII.2020

Sancti Nahum Prophetae, in Begabar quiescentis.

I missed a point in Sanford


1) Creation vs. Evolution Number of Alleles Question (on Junior High Genetics Level), 2) Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl CMI / Carl Wieland on "Genetic Entropy" Theme, 3) Creation vs. Evolution I missed a point in Sanford, 4) A second look at part of the evidence

It is true that most lab experiments do not show clear degeneration. But Scott should realize that anything alive today must have been degenerating slowly enough to still be here, even in a young earth scenario. All three of the downward decay curves I show in my book indicate that degeneration slows dramatically as it becomes more advanced. If a species is alive today and has been around for thousands of years, the rate of degeneration must be very slow (too subtle to measure in most cases). Obviously, genetic degeneration is not going to be clearly visible in most lab experiments.


CMI : Critic ignores reality of Genetic Entropy
by Dr John Sanford | Published: 7 March 2013 (GMT+10)
https://creation.com/genetic-entropy


If genetic entropy is by now (man has been around for 7219 years, if we consider Christ born one week before January 1st AD 1 and this as happened 5199 after creation), very slow, we are not practically concerned with it, just theoretically as an argument about impossibility of evolution.

My concern about Sanford's point is, some people have been getting practically concerned with what they considered as cases of genetic entropy : eugenics, as condemned by Pope Pius XI./HGL

samedi 28 novembre 2020

Destructivity of Noah's Flood, Palaeoenvironmental Deductions, How I Differ from CMI


I regard CMI (url creation.com) as a highly useful resource, to be used critically.

Every single criticism of them voiced here on this or that article by them should be taken as implicitly endorsing 95 % of their articles apart from those.

When I don't write in their direct praise, it's a bit to keep internet free from blog posts and comments adding up to nothing more than "I agree" - but I very often do. Not make blog posts saying I agree, but I often do agree.

Today is one of the days when I don't quite do so.

https://creation.com/was-noahs-flood-too-destructive
https://creation.com/paleoenvironmental-deductions
https://creation.com/paleoenvironments-and-the-bible

Waves destroying the Ark? Well, how do we know they would? Unless this is modelled with respect to the Ark, there really isn’t a way to know. And what modelling has been done suggests the Ark was very stable (Safety investigation of Noah’s Ark in a seaway). Besides, was the Ark simply subject to the vicissitudes of the Flood, or was God looking out for it? Clearly He was looking out for the Ark. The question is how involved He had to be to make sure the Ark was safe. Maybe the Ark was sufficient to survive the Flood without any special providential ordering of things or miracles. Or, God may have simply providentially arranged circumstances so that Ark in a relatively calm region of the waters. Or, of course, He could’ve provided some level of supernatural aid to protect the Ark, from an angel or two dispersing a few waves as needed to a constant ‘bubble’ of protection for the entire Flood. Again, we know too little of what happened to say with any clarity.


I think the level would generally be "providential". Waves would not have destroyed the Ark, as it was floating like a cork, but vulcanos erupting could have boiled all of the crew and living cargo to "Hadaean".

On the other hand, while miracles cannot be ruled out (especially I think there is one in coming out from the Ark, Genesis 8:13), we need not presume direct miracles for providential guiding of the Ark away from vulcanos. Just as the weakness in formation of the Persians on the other bank of Granikos was providential to Alexander conquering the East and helping to prepare the Gospel (his intention and God's were both fulfilled).

In other words, I think we could dare to be a bit more precise than Shaun Doyle dared.

Are some of the processes too quick and devastating? First, different processes were happening in different places; just because conditions during the Flood may be unliveable in some times and places doesn’t mean they were in all times and places. The intensity of the catastrophic conditions would’ve varied in time and space during the Flood year. For instance, oceanic crust wasn’t being created at metres/second rates in the areas around Yellowstone National Park.


The precise reason why I think cavemen already buried could have been preserved. If they were in caves, they were allready off the surface of the earth. Hence, I believe Neanderthals and Denisovans were pre-Flood races, and Erectus, Heidelbergensis, Antecessor aliases for Denisovan. These could even be the Nephelim (Heidelbergensis is more robust than Neanderthals).

Also the precise reason why I think we could with some reasonable security make a pre-Flood map from the greater environmental features (notably the main river valleys of the four rivers), and from biotopes, land or sea. There is another reason for it too. If the Cetotherium maicopicum had been swimming far away from the tectonic coordinates of today's Maikop, we could not have in Maikop by the Belaia a "Holotype (IBP S144, S131, S142, S154, S125, S126, S128, S130):partial skeleton". Even the partial skull of Cetotheriopsis lintianus would probably have arrived in much smaller fragments if it had been living far away from Linz. Now, certainly, these whales could have been transported 500 km, but they weren't, since if they had, they would not have been arriving in bits and pieces still identifiable as whales. If we don't have more whales from the Flood, part of them may have survived, we still have whales, and part have been transported in mudmixed fastflowing water for 500 km and arrived in non-identifiable shapes. If we find the means of making palaeoichthyological observations in Luga which is 146.5 km from St. Petersburg, Luga was sea in the pre-Flood world.

Hence, I believe as soon as we use terms like Permian or Eocene not of diverse layers of pure stone on the same place, but of fossil bearing and land vertebrate fossil bearing layers, we are dealing with the surface of the earth when the Flood struck and with biotopes arranged locally. And I believe Frat was flowing reverse modern Euphrates, through modern Black Sea, reverse modern Danube, over modern Rhine, Thames and Liffey into modern St. Lawrence River.

I'll link to an article - first in a series of five - where rise of mountains post-Flood is modelled over time, taking Himalayas as a very clear example of post-Flood only mountains:

Himalayas ... how fast did they rise?
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2020/05/himalayas-how-fast-did-they-rise.html


My model predicted a rise so slow that pre-Babel human habitation would have been impossible, and it turns out any definitely post-Flood habitation is also post-Babel (post-carbon dated 8600 BC).

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Rufus of Rome
28.XI.2020

(It is also St. Sosthenes, today. Apud Corinthum natalis sancti Sosthenis, ex beati Pauli Apostoli discipulis; cujus mentionem facit idem Apostolus Corinthiis scribens. Ipse autem Sosthenes, ex principe Synagogae conversus ad Christum, fidei suae primordia, ante Gallionem Proconsulem acriter verberatus, praeclaro initio consecravit. Romae sancti Rufi, quem, cum omni familia sua, Christi Martyrem Diocletianus fecit.)

mardi 24 novembre 2020

Does the New Martyrology Promote Historic Truth?


Sacrosanctum Concilium stated, in 1963:

92. As regards the readings, the following shall be observed:
  • a) Readings from sacred scripture shall be arranged so that the riches of God's word may be easily accessible in more abundant measure.

  • b) Readings excerpted from the works of the fathers, doctors, and ecclesiastical writers shall be better selected.

  • c) The accounts of martyrdom or the lives of the saints are to accord with the facts of history.


The obvious question is : didn't they?

For non-Catholics : Sacrosanctum Concilium is named, like so many other official documents both of the real Catholic Church and of the Conciliar Church, after its first words.

Sacrosanctum Concilium, cum sibi proponat vitam christianam inter fideles in dies augere; eas institutiones quae mutationibus obnoxiae sunt, ad nostrae aetatis necessitates melius accommodare; quidquid ad unionem omnium in Christum credentium conferre potest, fovere; et quidquid ad omnes in sinum Ecclesiae vocandos conducit, roborare; suum esse arbitratur peculiari ratione etiam instaurandam atque fovendam Liturgiam curare.


Translated officially:

This sacred Council has several aims in view: it desires to impart an ever increasing vigor to the Christian life of the faithful; to adapt more suitably to the needs of our own times those institutions which are subject to change; to foster whatever can promote union among all who believe in Christ; to strengthen whatever can help to call the whole of mankind into the household of the Church. The Council therefore sees particularly cogent reasons for undertaking the reform and promotion of the liturgy.


CONSTITUTIO DE SACRA LITURGIA SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_lt.html


CONSTITUTION ON THE SACRED LITURGY SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html


Note, this document is one of the reasons why several thousands of Catholics reject the Vatican II Council and sometimes also the papacy of its promulating Popes and their successors, these being - citing their quasi papal names - John XXIII, Paul VI (responsible for Sacrosanctum Concilium and for a later Liturgic Reform supposed to implement it), John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI and infeliciter quasi regnante Francis. We may be a drop in the sea compared to the billion that accepts them, but if we are true to the faith once given, that trumps sociology, as much now as when Swedes and English had to oppose Lutheran and Anglican Establishments.

Changes in the martyrology have been motivated by stating that the "accounts of martyrdom or the lives of the saints" now better "accord with the facts of history". Well, according to whom?

According to the Church is a bit circular. If the Church had stuck with the old accounts, it would have pointed back to the times in the Church when the accounts in the ideal case are from : fairly contemporary to events. But if the "Church" changes accounts, the new accounts do not so point back.

According to historians worthy of confidence? Why was the Church not keeping due record of its history for two thousand years, then?

Now, for many saints, we are concerned with mainly Catholics and Orthodox decrying the throwing away of St. Barbara or St. Christopher. Protestants (except a few High Church ones) weren't all that much into them anyway.

For Christmas day, we are concerned with lots more, since we are concerned with Christ Himself and with the Bible. Here is the earliest printed version of it in translation:

Year from Creation of the World, when in the beginning God created Heaven and Earth, five thousand, one hundred and ninety-nine, which number of years was completed in the following year of March, in the 20th day of same month, for in that day the world was created.

But from the Deluge, the two thousand nine hundred fifty seventh year, which number was completed seventeenth day of following April.

From birth of Abraham, the two thousand fifteenth year.

From Moses & the Exodus of the people of Israel from Egypt, the thousand five hundred tenth year.

From the ruin of Troy, the thousand hundred seventy-ninth year.

From the anointing of David unto king, the thousand thirty-second year.

In the hundred ninenty third Olimpiad, and in the eight hundredth year from the first Olimpiad. From the founding of the city of Rome, the seven hundredth fifty second year. The sixty-third week, accorting to the prophecy of Daniel, that is the four hundred fortieth year or thereabout.

Year of the rule of Octavian, the forty-second. Sixth age of the world, gates closed, all world composed in peace, Christ Jesus eternal God, and Son of the eternal Father, wanting by his most tender advent consecrate the world, conceived by the Holy Ghost and nine months gone through after conception (here it is said in high voice) is born in Bethlehem of Judah from the Virgin Mary, made man; (here higher voice and in passion tone:) Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh.


Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : Background to Christmas Martyrology
https://filolohika.blogspot.com/2019/02/background-to-christmas-martyrology.html


Troy has been eliminated during the old martyrology, and 63:rd week has become 65:th.

I'll trust the Novus Ordo Catholic (but still a believer) Mark Shea to cite the new version correctly:

Proclamation of the Birth of Christ
DECEMBER 24, 2009 BY MARK SHEA
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2009/12/proclamation-of-the-birth-of-christ.html


What he heard in Mass (or what is supposed to be one) was:

Today, the twenty-fifth day of December, unknown ages from the time when God created the heavens and the earth and then formed man and woman in his own image.

Several thousand years after the flood, when God made the rainbow shine forth as a sign of the covenant.

Twenty-one centuries from the time of Abraham and Sarah; thirteen centuries after Moses led the people of Israel out of Egypt.

Eleven hundred years from the time of Ruth and the Judges; one thousand years from the anointing of David as king; in the sixty-fifth week according to the prophecy of Daniel.

In the one hundred and ninety-fourth Olympiad; the seven hundred and fifty-second year from the foundation of the city of Rome.

The forty-second year of the reign of Octavian Augustus; the whole world being at peace, Jesus Christ, eternal God and Son of the eternal Father, desiring to sanctify the world by his most merciful coming, being conceived by the Holy Spirit, and nine months having passed since his conception, was born in Bethlehem of Judea of the Virgin Mary.

Today is the nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh.


I have no quarrel with the end of this proclamation, but I am not into "unknown ages" or "several thousand years" (after creation or Flood) and for that matter not into "thirteen centuries after Moses led the people of Israel out of Egypt" - I consider this as "Newspeak" and wrote an article on it : Newspeak in Nineteen - Eighty ... er Sorry ... Ninety-Four.

The problem here is, the Church (or what passes for it for those accepting Vatican II) presumes that the earlier version was not according "with the facts of history", that a non-Church and not Church-dependent or Bible dependent entity could correct the understanding the Church had from the Bible. This being, for "unknown ages" and for "several thousand years". Italian translation on Santi e Beati has "e molti secoli da quando, dopo il diluvio, l’Altissimo aveva fatto risplendere tra le nubi l’arcobaleno, segno di alleanza e di pace;" - that is better.

But I think whether we deal with the chronology of the older Roman Martyrology, or that of Syncellus (cited by Orthodox on their ecclesiastical New Year, September 1:st), 2957 or 3266, or even shorter with Masoretic chronology, like 2348 with Ussher, while we could call it "many centuries", we can't call it "several thousand years". It seems US Conference of Bishops was using the one I complained about, from 1994. New Translation (USCCB, 1994) third column in comparison on The Christmas Proclamation, Comparative analysis by Fr. Felix Just, S.J., Ph.D..

And here we get to a defense of the new translation:

  • The main reason it is better might seem paradoxical; namely, it is less "precise" than most older translations in referring to specific years for certain events in early biblical history. For example, while the birth of Jesus is situated "in the year two-thousand nine-hundred and fifty-seven after the flood" (of Noah) in the older translations, it is "several thousand years after the flood," according to the new translation.
  • In this and similar cases, less precision is actually better, since it more closely reflects contemporary church teaching and biblical scholarship. Proclaiming exact numbers of years inevitably gives most people the impression that we know exactly when these biblical events took place, thereby unwittingly reinforcing a type of biblical fundamentalism or pseudo-historical literalism that does not conform to the principles of Catholic biblical interpretation. Considering how long ago these events are said to have taken place and how few historically reliable sources we have for events of the distant past (especially anything before the time of King David), it is better not to give the impression that dates are or can be known with great precision.
  • Another aspect in which the new translation is significantly better than the older versions is in terms of gender-inclusivity. The new translation explicitly mentions the creation of "man and woman," lists Sarah along with Abraham, and includes "Ruth and the Judges"; in contrast, the older versions have no mention of any women whatsoever!


Well, what Felix Just is calling "a type of biblical fundamentalism or pseudo-historical literalism that does not conform to the principles of Catholic biblical interpretation", I call precisely the traditional Catholic Interpretation. I call out Felix Just (as he doesn't represent God, as he isn't Catholic, I am not calling him "father") as pleading the cause of apostasy, and on top of that, pleading it by name-calling.

Do I have any problem with the older martyrology? I have submitted a dubium about whether "1032 years after anointing of King David" could not be a mistake for "1082 years after anointing of King David, 1032 years after the Temple of Solomon", which numbers are actually found in the chronology of Syncellus. It also concurs better with Exodus date in 1510 BC, due to "And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of the reign of Solomon over Israel, in the month Zio (the same is the second month), he began to build a house to the Lord.", III Kings 6:1. But obviously, I have not submitted it to "Pope Francis" - co-"Jesuit" and co-Modernist of Felix Just. I have submitted it to Pope Michael. Or tried to, the post office in Topeka didn't want to deliver it to "Vatican in Exile, 66616 Topeka KA" since I had omitted "829 NE Chester". This is probably not top honesty on post officials, giving some credence to these being not at their old standards of reliability. I have also wondered whether changing 63:rd to 65:th week of Daniel was correct.

But this is not very much compared to what problems I have with Felix Just. He is not giving any single argument for any of the precise values being unhistorical. He is not concerned with III Kings 6:1. With King David anointed 300 years only after Exodus, it is impossible that the Temple was started 480 years after it. But the Bible says, the Temple was so started, with some variety of readings. Only Vossius would agree with Just:

Ver. 1. Eightieth year. This chronology meets with the approbation of most people. See Usher. C. xii. Some, however, find a difficulty in reconciling it with Acts xiii. 20, which seems to attribute 450 years to the government of the judges. C.

Sept. have 440; Josephus 592, though Ruffin neglects the 90 in his version; Petau 520; Severus 582; Clem.Alex. 566; Vossius 380; Cano 590; Serarius 680.

Houbigant would read 350 in the Acts. But Capellus would add 200 here, &c. H.

Second of the sacred year, corresponding with our April. Syr. Chaldee styles it "of the splendour of flowers." M.

The Hurons, and other nations of America, call this "the moon of plants;" the Flemings, "the month for mowing," Grasmaand. Our Saxon ancestors gave descriptive names to the months. See Verstegan. H.

At first, the Hebrews only described the months by their order; "first, second," &c. In Solomon's time we begin to find other names, taken from the Phenicians, (Scalig.) Chaldees, (Grot.) or Egyptians. Hardouin, A. 2993.

After the captivity, at least, the Chaldee names were adopted; (H.) 1. Nisan; 2. Jar; 3. Sivan; 4. Tammus; 5. Ab; 6. Elul; 7. Tisri; 8. Marshevan; 9. Casleu; 10. Thebet; 11. Schebet; 12. Adar; (C.) 13. Veadar, the intercalary month, when requisite, according to the lunar system, which was not perhaps yet adopted. Each of these months generally corresponded with two of ours; Nisan with the end of March and the beginning of April, &c. Sept. here take no notice of Zio, though they do, v. 37. H.

The temple was begun on Monday, May 21, A. 2992. Usher.

It was finished A. 3000, or in the following year, when it was solemnly dedicated. Button.


Note, the reference to Ussher (spelled Usher, here) is in a Roman Catholic Bible comment. So is the direct citation a bit lower.

But dating with Ussher seems very popular with what Felix Just called "a type of biblical fundamentalism or pseudo-historical literalism".

So, is he saying that Father George Leo Haydock's way of reading the Bible "does not conform to the principles of Catholic biblical interpretation"? Father George Leo Haydock was Catholic before he was. But perhaps the Catholic Church could radically change its way of reading the Bible?

No. Not while remaining Catholic. St. John could not change to accomodate to either Cerinthus or Marcion or anyone like that ditching the Old Testament alltogether. St. Pius V could not accomodate to Luther throwing out seven books. A Catholic today should not accomodate to Felix Just or US Conference of Bishops throwing out literal truth of Old Testament either.

Including Sarah might seem a good idea, but it's only possible with excluding exactitude, since "2015 years after Abraham and 2005 years after Sarah were born" is fairly cumbrous. I prefer the exactitude. And I am content with the one Woman who is mentioned in the Martyrology, as She is also mentioned in Genesis 3:15.

Now, Genesis 11 in a standard version of LXX gives 1070 years between Flood and Birth of Abraham. In Samaritan, some manuscript of LXX, by omitting the second Cainan, as does at least one manuscript of St. Luke, you get 942, which is the distance in Roman Martyrology, the original version. Felix Just is, unlike Father George Leo Haydock, not respecting Genesis 11, since, 2100 BC + 1070 = 3270 BC, and not "several thousands years" as Felix Just likes to defend.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. John of the Cross
24.XI.2020

Sancti Joannis a Cruce Presbyteri, Confessoris et Ecclesiae Doctoris, sanctae Teresiae in Carmelitarum reformatione socii, cujus dies natalis decimo nono Kalendas Januarii recensetur.

Obviously, I am citing the Roman Martyrology in Gregory XIII's and Benedict XIV's version, not that of US Conference of Bishops. What did you think?/HGL