mardi 21 novembre 2017

Shouldn't all ancient civilizations have had a concept of the Christian God and the garden of Eden story? (Quora)

If Adam and Eve existed and we are all descendants of them, then shouldn't all ancient civilizations have had a concept of the Christian God and the garden of Eden story?

Answer requested by Kelly Spears

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Self Employed at Writer and Composer
Answered 1h ago
Let us extend this a bit.

Here is the question as posed:

"If Adam and Eve existed and we are all descendants of them, then shouldn't all ancient civilizations have had a concept of the Christian God and the garden of Eden story?"

Now, it is not just Adam and Eve, but also Cain and Abel, Nephilim and Pre-Flood violence involving Giants, pre-Flood iniquity probably involving magic, Cainite line up to Tubal-Cain and Sethite line up to Noah and his wife and his three sons and his three daughters in law (many say that Ham married Noema, the sister of Tubal-Cain) and the Flood and the Ark and some "small wars" (?) that seemed great between Flood and Babel AND Babel which are all of them part in one way or another of everyone's cultural background.

Hebrews (descendants of Jacob Israel, namely Christians, Jews and Samarians, all Christians being Hebrews by adoption if not by blood heritage) are the ones which kept all of this together, and some of the other peoples kept some memories, some other of them others.

Most of the others went away from the one true God to serve many gods, and the most common distortion of above, what is known as Original Revelation, God's acts with mankind before the split between Hebrews and Pagans, is forgetting that God is one.

But with this in mind, I don't think you could find many cultures around the world which do not in some fashion recall one or other of above. The most common memory is probably the Flood.

This does not mean every culture of necessity remembers the Flood, since some deliberately tried to forget about it, for one reason or another.

Here is some reconstruction of my own, on identifying such traces:

I suppose for instance that Mahabharata took place in pre-Flood times, was a world war involving nukes (remember, Uranium is an element, not a synthetic compound, and needs a critical mass, that is about it) in a culture with a higher technology than the post-Flood one.

This was probably a war between the children of Jabal (named Pandavas, and the Pandavas going into the woods being a standin for shepherding and living in tents without agriculture, a lifestyle unknown to Indians composing the poem), supported by their uncle Jubal, presumably a bit swarthier in hue and dubbed "Kush" among friends, (it is Krishna in Sanskrit), against their cousins, the children of Tubal-Cain (named Kauravas in the poem).

Meanwhile, Neanderthals were using Europe and North West Asia as a backwood country and their lifestyle would have struck any Nodian as that of remaining Palaeolithic cultures strike us. The heritage we have of that people, biologically, is presumably because Japheth or perhaps Sem married a "halfe-caste" Neanderthal. The Nodian culture their contemporary has not yet been found by archaeology, unless deliberately hidden away.

After the Flood, Ham's children and grandchildren were presumably mostly fans of Nimrod, or the man known to us as Nimrod, especially those of Kush (the Biblical Kush), named after nickname of his half uncle Jubal. And presumably Kush's son Regmah or Ramah (Biblical) got some valuable help from him, notably in saving his wife from kidnappers, before settling where Flood layers had covered Nodian realms, in Hindukush.

This help is recorded in Ramayana, with Nimrod featuring presumably as Hanuman (or that monkey in Hanuman's army who was the architect of that bridge, Nimrod being a great architect).

Later, sending in men on occasion to the general HQ of mankind, in Göbekli Tepe, became a bit over the top in the taste of Regma's children, while initially accomplices of Nimrod, they took their distance.

It would have worked out like this:

  • 1) delete memory of Flood - Flood being cited by Nimrod as the main hasard in order to avoid which the Tower of Babel project (in my view a try to recover pre-Flood technology and launch a three step rocket to Heaven, but Nimrod would have tried it with Uranium, if getting the chance), this means that one takes a distance from Nimrod's ideology (they had already with him taken a distance from Noachic truth, that God was anyway never going to repeat the Flood)
  • 2) problem, Flood came between Mahabharata and Ramayana
  • 3) solution, insert lots of time between them and even invert them
  • 4) bonus, with Mahabharata matters supposedly later, one could paint one's own élite as directly coming from "Kush", sorry, Babel took an end yesterday, "Krishna" and his friend Arjunah (whatever that is in Hebrew original, as spoken in pre-Flood)

This meant also to insert pre-Flood history as history between Ramayana and Mahabharata, and so, other item on the "to-forget-list" the distinction between Sethites and Cainites was erased in favour of a single, basically mostly Nodian, golden age culture. This means the two Henoch, the city-founder (well, technically he only gave his name to a city his father founded) and the God pleasing prophet who was taken up, are recalled as one and same Bharat.

If you think a purely Pagan culture is not able to make a deliberate forgetfulness of an irksome fact, just recall there were 400 years between Trojan War and Homer, and back when it happened, there were Hittites, whose national and imperial identity is nowhere directly seen in any work of Homer. The one memory of them that is linguistically most direct is probably the word Hethos, back then, which, by "dissimilation of aspirates" became Ethos. I suppose that tax collecting and tax evasion was about equally irksome to them, and therefore:

  • Ethos remained as (originally) a condemnation of tax evasion,
  • Hittites as such (and their tax burden) were forgot,
  • the one memory of that tax burden being the shunning of Linear B, considered in a passage of Homer as "semata lugra" (baleful signs).

In Egyptian and Norse myth, there is a conflation of creation and Flood. In Egyptian and Sumerian myth, Adam and Eve are forgotten in favour of an ideology that mankind was created not as a couple and a family, but as a city, collectively, to work. You can imagine how such a mythological twist might be useful for Nimrodians.

And so on, for a lot of other cultures, and I am not saying I have all or even half of the solutions along above lines, but I am confident they would mainly exist.

How does the Mormon Church explain the lack of archaeological evidence of a large, gentrified civilization in prehistoric North America?

Answer requested by Kelly Spears

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Self Employed at Writer and Composer
Answered 11m ago
Why don’t you ask a Mormon?


If the Adam and Eve narrative is universal, why do we only find it in one source?

This question previously had details. They are now in a comment.

Wouldn't such event leave more traces? How would a sincere creationist answer such a question?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Studied religions as curious parallels and contrasts to Xtian faith since 9, 10?
Answered just now
We don’t actually.

Adam and Eve being first two humans is in Hebrew and Hebrew-dependent Arabic story, but also in Norse one.

Adam being first man is also found (in another way, prehuman) in Norse one, as well as in Hindoo one.

First humans being blissful and then losing the bliss due to transgression is also found more than once, both Hindoo and Greek.

A FULL preservation of ALL the story would have involved too obvious hints to some that their ideoloogies were Satanic (think, for instance, snake worshippers). Parts were deliberately forgotten.

EDIT, responding to details : “Wouldn't such event leave more traces? How would a sincere creationist answer such a question?”

Trojan War was while Hattusha still stood or within a decade or two after it fell. Priam and Agamemnon must have known about Hittites, Priam or both might have been Hittite vassals. B U T 400 years later, Homer did not know of the Hittites. Deliberate forgetfulness is my diagnosis.

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