samedi 19 août 2017

Defending the Faith and Finding More

That led to a chain reaction of sorts, with him presenting me with one meme or argument against religion after another, most of them very ignorant, some of them even plain silly. The only effect of all this was that I was actually feeling a bit more confident in believing again.

Breaking the shackles of evolutionary propaganda
by Nathan van Ree ; 7 August 2017 (GMT+10)

I have been in similar situations twice before, and am in a probably similar one now.

When I went to boarding school, I was nearly Evangelical in some ways, very much more High Church in others. Young Earth Creationist - and not too anti-Catholic.

At the boarding school I had problems and got more and more problems getting girls. Not that it was a boys' school, far from it, but my tending to romantic love, hoping for a romance with engagement and marrying when possible after both get 18 (yes, back then I fell in love with girls same age, or no more than 5 years difference the one time the difference was biggest - not on school, my first girl friend, I bungled it), that was not quite the policy of a school with official policy no sex or romance and under hand policy "go ahead, but don't get caught" meaning they were presumably using condoms, perhaps abortions. So I was not getting girls.

Nor were most boys very congenial company. One Christian who later fell away, one who went through with Lutheran "confirmation" (Swedish Church can't provide that, since having neither episcopal nor sacerdotal orders) but very soon got disinterested in Christianity, and the rest of co-boarders in each of the two houses where I was were either:

  • harrassers;
  • on and off company, mostly indifferent;
  • company actively trying to bring me away from the faith, though friendly.

The harrassers were also attacking very much the faith, when not attacking my personality by calling me homosexual.

The on and off company was either very superficial, or, at times when a bit more interested also showing off some arguments against the faith. Notably against Young Earth Creationism.

This means I spent four years defending the faith as best as I could. At the end of the process, I was Catholic. OK, not yet received into Novus Ordo sect, but going for it. Or going for the Catholic Church and taking Novus Ordo sect for it.

The thing is, I was doing pretty well - and it was in the process of finding arguments (as well as in my passion for history, including Church history) that I discovered that the Catholic Church NOT being founded on a supposed apostasy or semi-apostasy or syncretisation in the time of Constantine, or even as I had more actually thought, getting slightly corrupted by power and needing a Reformation, but remaining the true faith very purely over time was the best explanation for God meeting His requirement as per Matthew 28 last verses or of God preserving the Bible in a Bible believing Church.

I was looking at the Orthodox Church too, perhaps at the time preferring Catholicism on somewhat too superficial grounds, which has if so been corrected by the time I return (much later) from Orthodoxy to Catholicism.

But while I was preparing to be received - and I was received by a priest who was certainly clearly Catholic in outlook, who had been ordained in older rite, who remembered it all and who accepted externals of the Novus Ordo, not the mentality, of obedience, so one can argue I was really received in the Catholic Church because of my and his intention, and because in 1988 there was no alternative Pope known to me - I was continuing arguing and doing very well.

I was taking time off, more and more, from Young Earth Creationism - after all, I had decided Catholics not believing the position were still Catholics, still perfectly Christians.

Things happened, I could not sort my life out in Catholics of the now mainstream type, I searched out a Traditional opposition, things happened there too, and instead of sorting up my life I got stranded away from them, in a village. There I did not do much for the faith, except pray and oppose abortion. And promote a return to younger marriage ages - by courting a girl who was 14-15. Things happened, and after I had been in mental hospital for two short spells, I defended myself against a policeman when he tried to put me there third time over - NB, not in "defense" of the girl, not on an occasion when I had been trying to see her, but months after the latest such event.

In prison, things happened. I think some of them were arranged, like being put together with one, two, then three or even four Muslims, and I ended up getting defended from them (after saying I believe the Quran is not the word of God, but of Satan) by people then transferring me to mental hospital. NB, the Muslims were threatening a while and it was one of them who alerted the guards, so their game may have been to arrange such a transfer. In that mental hospital, one of my remaining joys was reading. And I read most of Little House series, and I read a Swedish translation of City of God, by St Augustine of Hippo. When I came out, I was very clearly Young Earth Creationist.

I had a reason to start using internet less than a year after getting out, and I was of course defending Catholicism in a Traditional way and Young Earth Creationism. And same thing happened : as I defended the faith, I discovered a new thing about it. I was confronted with Distant Starlight Paradox, and within 24 hours I was Geocentric. I think this position is the best defense, the ones promoted by CMI are comparatively exotic. Less sensible than some of their other work.

And now I am living homeless (hoping to get sth published) defending the faith over internet, and am seeing certain efforts which once again seem to be concerted to bring me away from the faith. Not wishing good luck, though, not even ironically.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Bibl. Parmentier
St. John Eudes

samedi 5 août 2017

Babylonian Captivity and Carbon Dating

I just saw news archaeologists have found the burning of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar's general, as mentioned in Jeremiah, and dated the burning to 2600 years ago.

2600 years ago is 583 BC, very close to the 586 BC for siege of Jerusalem at first exile.

This means that 2600 years ago, carbon content was c. 100 pmc in the atmosphere./HGL

H/T : Archaeologists Prove Bible Historically Accurate. Again.
on Creative Minority Report

Ussher compared to St Jerome

How Fast was Carbon 14 Forming During Babel Event? · Ussher compared to St Jerome

For the timeline of Ussher, which is per se acceptable to Catholics - it is used in the 1859 Haydock comment and was promoted in France by Frémyot, with approval of the Church - though not as some wikipedians seem to have thought with dogmatic final such, since it is in conflict with that of St Jerome's Christmas proclamation (the traditional one, not the one of 1994), the series of events from Flood to Dispersion of Nations goes roughly like this:

2348 BC - Flood
2247 BC - birth of Peleg
2242 BC - beginning of Babel project
2202 BC - God ends it by confusion of tongues.

Can this timeline work with identifying Babel project with Göbekli Tepe?* We would have the extra years: 2242 BC dated as 9600 BC, 7358 extra years, and 8600 BC standing for 2002 BC, 6398 extra years.

The carbon content of atmosphere at 7358 extra years is roughly 40.92 pmc. 42.04 % for 7162.5 extra years, leaves 195.5. 97.86 % for 154.0625 extra years**, leaves 41.44 extra years, close enough to the 38.52 ones which are 1/128 of a halflife. The remainder is not worth bothering about.*** So I ùultiply 42.04 %, by 97.86 % by 99.45 %, I get 40.92 % as the % of modern carbon, as the pmc.

The rise in carbon to only 6398 extra years is parallele to previous. The difference is not worth bothering about.*** The key difference is whether Peleg was born in 101 or 401 after the Flood. ° That being 2247 BC after a Flood in 2348 BC vs 2556 BC ° after a Flood in 2957 BC, as the Christmas proclamation says.

I have calculated that a rise of "zero" (actually more, but the difference is not worth ... you know ***) to 40.92 pmc (skipping accounting for c. 2 pmc at Flood and its decay***) in 106 years (I used the multiplied percentages for years adding up to 116 years 1/64 + 1/128 of a halflife) is "40.92" pmc; this instead of the replacement expected in 116 years, the 1.62 pmc units which are the difference between normal recent objects and the 98.38 pmc you get in objects from 1901. And 40.92 compared to 1.62 in same time span is 25.2 times as fast. More, since the timespan is really ten years shorter.

I have also calculated the contrasting alternative decay depletion and typical replacement for 406 years, technically just for 385 years, it sinks to 94.73 pmc between 1632 and now (so if you want to carbon date the manuscript of the Galileo trial in 1633, you know what to look for). This means "the atmospheric sample" so to speak normally "needs" (and gets) a replacement of 5.27 pmc units in 385 years, somewhat more in 406 years - which I didn't bother to calculate.*** Divide 40.92 % by 5.27 % and you get 7.75 - a factor of multiplication less important than during the 40 years of building Babel.

So, for St Jerome, you get a cosmic ray impact of 3.02 milliSievert°° per year, lower than the average total background radiation today, for Ussher 9.83 milliSievert per year, closer to highest total background radiations (though not highest professional one).

Supposing that there had been a nuke War just before the Flood, the ground bound parts of background radiation would have been high too. In this scenarion the years between Flood and Babel would have exposed man to quite a few more milliSievert per year than anywhere on earth today - except at work.

That might be either seen as a reason to prefer St Jerome over Ussher - or to reject my Babel-Göbekli Tepe identification °°° - or go a far way to explain shortened lifespans and the fashion of wearing fur in stone age. At least outdoors or outcaves, even if people were buried inside caves with fur on.

Other thing about Ussher's timeline as opposed to St Jerome's, and if accepting my identification of Babel as Göbekli Tepe °°° : how many skeleta from Upper Palaeolithic are there? They would NOT involve Abraham's ancestors, since all of these survived past 106 and even146 post Deluvium. They would have been of people with lifespans fairly short for back then, a bit like in St Louis' time his maternal uncle who was hopping between crenelations and since he was royal no one stopped him, and he fell and broke his neck - at 13. Some were of course older than that, but Cro-Magnon 1, dated to "27 680 ans BP (± 270)" would have been born after Flood and have died before 106 after Flood. Very short lifespan for back then.

Of course, I am personally for the timeline of St Jerome as you know from pervious and elsewhere.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Bibl. Mouffetard, Paris
Dedication of Our Lady in Snow

PS, one more thing. When you divide times of radioactive decay, the percentages of "needed" replacement increase, exponentially reversed or sth as per number of subdivisions. But the shorter the total time is, the less is this increase, and this seems unrelated to normal versus tripled or sevenfold or elevenfold or twentyfivefold increase. 40 years, as in previous, 116 or 385 years as in this one, this is fairly short in total compared to the 5730 of a whole halflife./HGL

PPS, if you didn't get it, it seems this does not affect the milliSivert count./HGL


* No bricks found as yet, nor any architecture like a tower, which is why a three step rocket or failing attempt of such might have been what the tower was. However, 1/50 has been excavated, the part which resembles stonehenge twice over, or three times over, with surrounding buildings a bit like Çatal Höyük. ** I think that is less than 154 years and one month, let's not bother to check now, but that is exactly 1/32 of a halflife. *** At least not during "vacation", when I prewrite this in the countryside. I might be more meticulous when writing before a computer. ° 101 as per both Vulgate and King James, thus also Ussher, LXX gives 529 if you have a "second Cainan" and therefore 401 without him - it seems St Jerome was using a LXX manuscript without him or discounting him as spurious by comparing Samaritan and his own Hebrew Vorlage, ancestral to Masoretic. But I am guessing, since his Christmas proclamation mentions neither Babel nor Peleg. °° I think I may have misspelled the unit, I just realised Rolf Sievert was a Swede, not a "Rudolf Siewertz" from Germany. Elsewhere, previously. °°° Yes, I know about bricks and tower architecture, but do you find anything older looking like a city anywhere in Shinar plains? Ziggurat of Ur is way later, and its building lord is known as having spoken Sumerian and being third dynasty of an Ur separate from other peoples - two signs it is a man way after Babel.

lundi 31 juillet 2017

How Fast was Carbon 14 Forming During Babel Event?

How Fast was Carbon 14 Forming During Babel Event? · Ussher compared to St Jerome

On my view the traditional 40 years of the Babel event (starting 5 years after birth of Peleg, and ending in Dispersion of Nations 40 years after that) are the 1000 carbon years of Göbekli Tepe.

Suppose St Jerome's standard for post-Flood patriarchs is LXX without the second Cainan, then Peleg was born 401 years after the Flood, i e 2957 BC and 401 years later is 2556 BC. Babel / GT starts getting built 2551 BC, and 2511 Babel / GT is abandoned unfinished because communication problems make continued collaboration meaningless.

Then 2551 BC dates as 9600 BC, 7049 extra years = 42.626 pmc being original level of carbon in the objects at start of GT.

And 2511 BC dates as 8600 BC, 6089 extra years = 47.875 pmc being original level of carbon at end of GT. In the atmosphere and in the objects, of course.

And 40 years decays 100 to 99.517, and therefore replaces 0.483 pmc normally in our times.

If no new carbon had formed, 42.626 pmc would have sunk to 42.42011642 pmc, we'll say "42.42" for short. In order to maintain level, what needed forming was 0.483 pmc - would actually have landed us on 42.9 pmc, a slight rise, the kind of rise envisaged by the Creationists who say that stable level has not yet been reached.

What instead formed was ... 47.875 pmc - "42.42" pmc = "5.455" pmc.

And "5.455" pmc / 0.483 pmc = "11.29". So, carbon was forming 11 times faster then as compared to now.

This would mean that the annual radiation dose from cosmos on atmosphere would have been at ground level "11.29" times larger than the normal dose today, 0.39 milliSieverts per year, thus adding up to "4.4" milliSiverts per year - a little larger part of cosmic radiation than today the total background radiation on average on Earth, but smaller than background radiation in for instance Princeton.

This is clearly feasible. I am not entering too much into causation - magnetic field and solar activity both ultimately obey God - but the radiation dose would not have killed off humanity and mammals.

Hans Georg Lundahl
St. Ignatius of Loyola

samedi 29 juillet 2017

One Theory Solving Several Problems

In my young days as a Creationist, and even in my beginning as a Creationist internet writer, I was fine with saying things on the line of:

"Carbon 14 level is perhaps still rising, and the beyond Biblical dates are because the level has to now risen from the level at the real dates, onto which a higher original carbon level is projected, leading to a greater difference between original and inspected levels, leading to longer ages of radioactive decay. This is because the level is a kind of equilibrium between production of new and decay of the sample in the atmosphere."

Two things I have had to modify since studying the matter in mathematical depth, making tentative tables (more than one, not claiming one above the others as the entirely correct one, at least not yet), one is admitting the level is perhaps still rising, if it were we would not be seeing consistent half lives. If a lower level than the stable equilibrium is taken as being so (and the theory I reject says we are still rising to equilibrium, i e are still lower than it) the previous rise being taken as stable and checked against data which are checkable will result in too short a half life and also in a varied half life, not consistent between the centuries.

The level must therefore already have reached equilibrium.

The other thing, not stated but understood in above usual Creationist statement, is that the carbon rise has been due to a production of new carbon 14 not offset by decay only because not yet reaching the equilibrium, i e a production of new carbon due to same level of cosmic radiation, working at same speed.

Take the centuries between Abraham in Genesis 14 and Joseph in Egypt at end of Genesis, then the ones between Joseph and Joshua's taking Jericho.

Now, suppose that Joseph was Imhotep, contemporary with Djoser. This means somewhat shorter extra time than a thousand years (real time for Joseph, c. 1700 BC, dated time for Djoser c. 2600 BC). On the other hand, if Kenyon dated fall of Jericho to 1550 BC and it occurred in 1470 BC, there were only 80 extra years. With this in mind, the rise in carbon must have depended on a formation of new carbon about 6 times faster than now. Suppose the 1700 BC for Joseph corresponds to sth archaeologically far later than Djoser, then there is an even steeper rise in the time between Abraham (if contemporary to Chalcolithic of En-Geddi) and Joseph. Or suppose the dating of Jericho is about the wrong one, it is Garstang's city III which Joshua destroyed, then the rise must be far steeper after Jericho and up to when carbon dates become directly reliable.

So, I have to posit more cosmic radiation for certain parts of this time, especially between Flood and Abraham, and most especially steeper between Flood and Babel than between Babel and Abraham.

  • It will solve the issue at hand, with more cosmic radiation, carbon 14 formed faster.
  • It will provide a solution for how ice age froze so quickly, cosmic radiation freezes the wheather (Little Ice Age seems to have had more cosmic radiation, since calibrations show samples from say 1600 AD show more C14 than normally expected).
  • It will have shortened telomeres in the end portions of chromosomes, shortening the life span, and more so, the longer someone was himself exposed to the radiation before having offspring - this could be the primary mechanism by which God shortened life spans after Flood.
  • But now I found it it solves yet another problem, namely one dating method. Here:

"EPR/ESR also has been used by archaeologists for the dating of teeth. Radiation damage over long periods of time creates free radicals in tooth enamel, which can then be examined by EPR and, after proper calibration, dated. Alternatively, material extracted from the teeth of people during dental procedures can be used to quantify their cumulative exposure to ionizing radiation. People exposed to radiation from the Chernobyl disaster have been examined by this method."

The archaeologists are presuming, wrongly, that exposure to ionizing radiation has been roughly same level - i e mainly the normal background radiation, of which cosmic radiation is just a part.

Well, suppose at times the cosmic radiation was comparable to or greater than other factors of background radiation, this means that the teeth will look older than they really are.

I think this might also take care of higher ages in thermoluminiscence dating:

"Natural crystalline materials contain imperfections: impurity ions, stress dislocations, and other phenomena that disturb the regularity of the electric field that holds the atoms in the crystalline lattice together. These imperfections lead to local humps and dips in the crystalline material's electric potential. Where there is a dip (a so-called "electron trap"), a free electron may be attracted and trapped.

The flux of ionizing radiation—both from cosmic radiation and from natural radioactivity—excites electrons from atoms in the crystal lattice into the conduction band where they can move freely. Most excited electrons will soon recombine with lattice ions, but some will be trapped, storing part of the energy of the radiation in the form of trapped electric charge (Figure 1).

Depending on the depth of the traps (the energy required to free an electron from them) the storage time of trapped electrons will vary as some traps are sufficiently deep to store charge for hundreds of thousands of years."

I think a theory which solves that many problems merits serious consideration.

Hans Georg Lundahl
St. Olaf, King and Martyr

PS, I came to think of this à propos the "dark ages" of recovery between Fall of Troy and new beginnings of Archaic Art in Greece, etc along East Mediterranean : there were about 3 centuries, about the time of recovery between Flood and Babel, between Babel and Abraham on my theories./HGL

vendredi 21 juillet 2017

When Are Implicit Citations Licit?

Short answer : when they are explicit.


Fr. David Fleming, O.F.M. (Franciscan, Ordo Fratrum Minorum, Order of Friars Minor) penned a response by the Pontifical Biblical Commission on 13.II.1905, 112 years ago and some months.

Here is my personal translation from Latin of Q and response (not trying to make this an official translation of whole document):

Q (anon.)
Whether in order to untie the difficulties which occur in many texts of Sacred Scripture, which seem to relate historic facts, it is licit for a Catholic exegete to assert it is here question of a tacit or implied citation of a document written down by a non-inspired author, whose every assertion the inspired author does not at all intend to approve or make his own, which therefore cannot be held immune from error?

R (Fr Fleming)
In the negative, except the case in which, saving the sense and judgement of the Church, it be proven with solid arguments:

  • 1° That the Hagiographer (holy author) is really citing the words or documents of someone else;

  • and 2° That he is neither approving them, nor making them his own, so that he can be rightly considered as not speaking in his own name.

What does the phrase "saving the sense and judgement of the Church" mean? It means the proof or supposed such must not contradict the sense of the Church or the judgement of the Church. A judgement can come later, but cannot go against the sense of the Church. The sense of the Church is however already there, it is Tradition. If it is traditional that Moses was not citing some fun but unserious spoof on Canaanean mythology and adding tacitly "take it for what it is worth, it's a joke!" obviously even the Church cannot judge that Moses was doing that, since such a judgement would be going against the sense of the Church. Therefore there can be no solid argument actually proving this was the case to a Catholic exegete, since he must abide by sense and judgement of the Church.

What do "solid arguments" mean?

Some philosopher has "made proofs" by radiometric dating that the account given by Moses cannot stand together with sound reason? No, that is not a solid argument, like it is not a solid argument is some philosopher by Hegelian dialectic has proven God is not personal.

Or, there is a Canaanean text or a Sumerian text, which looks suspiciously like the account of Moses, but which he cannot have approved since it involves idolatry and polytheism? No, that is not a solid argument, like it is not a solid argument to dismiss a canonical Gospel just because it involves some suspicious similarity to a Gnostic one.

Or, we find exactly one Syriac manuscript with a verse inserted between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 stating the following is an opinion? No, it is not a solid argument, that manuscript could be a fake.

So, the one solid argument one could be dealing with is when the "implicit" and "tacit" citation is not so.

Suppose a Catholic exegete has been singing a psalm from a corrupted manuscript, in which the words "the unwise hath said in his heart" are lacking, and been singing the words "there is no God", he would indeed be right to consider King David must have tacitly cited someone else he did not approve of. A very solid argument would be to go out into the wide world and find a lot of editions in which the words "The fool said in his heart:" are not lacking.

Hence my summary of the answer : they are licit to assume when they are explicit.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St. Praxedis, Virgin*

* I take it St Laurence of Brindisi was not today any earlier than under "John XXIII", so is really tomorrow, his heavenly birthday. He is however a saint, canonised by Pope Leo XIII.

jeudi 20 juillet 2017

If Carbon Calculator should shut down, how do we know the percentages vs the years (as portions and multiples of halflife)?

I did a calculation, considering things like 1/8 of a halflife should give a percentage of original quantity corresponding to 8th root of one half. Here is my rough calculation, below is the link I am so often using instead of calculating like this:

And here is the carbon calculator online too: being short link for:

Carbon 14 Dating Calculator