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I think so, let's cite him:
Göbekli Tepe -founded by Noach and sons. Gobekli-Tepe in modern day Turkey, was founded shortly after our 27 of Cheshvan, 1657 anno-mundideparture from the Ark of Noach. Perhaps the site of Noach built the Mizbech-alter as all the offerings were at hand.
How many hours, days, months or years, after, may relate to how far from from that spot the ark came to rest. If Gobekli-Tepe (GBT) was active for hundreds of years, until near the end of The ice ages, and that The ice ages lasted only about 340 years (not the 25M inflated consensus), assuming G/T was active 300 years and ended by the 1996 anno-mundi the approx. end of The ice ages, means it was founded w/in 40 years of our departure from the ark. Do not be surprised if it was the first pace off the ark we set up camp, w/in days or a year of departing the ark. If it lasted at least 300 years it was certainly activewhen Abraham was born in 1948, - 1656 = 292 years after the 1656 Mabul mass extinction event impacts year aka global flood by Noa(c)h. Sanliurfa aka Urfa aka Edessa aka Adma, just 7 miles to the SE, has a tradition of being the birthplace of Abraham. So not only was G/T active during the (at least early) lifetime of Abraham, but he would have certainly gone up to G/T from town, or perhaps Abraham was actually born in G/T and Urfa was established later.
This is from an upload on Academia, which he very gently provided, an extract from a book of his:
Gobekli Tepe founded by Noah and sons Torah Discovery Chronology, 2019
on Academia by Roger M Pearlman
https://www.academia.edu/38664571/Gobekli_Tepe_founded_by_Noah_and_sons
In the following, I will refer to his terminology, just reminding you first, referring to the Deluge as Mabul or using his Anno Mundi values is not what I usually do. I think Judaism is wrong.
Here are anyway a few calculations on this.
Abraham was about 80 at the events of Genesis 14.
However, reed mats used to carry away gold and jewels from the Chalcolithic temple in Azazon Tamar (En Geddi) are carbon dated to 3500 BC.
2019 AD
3500 dated BC
5519 dated age
1948 AM
0080 life age 80
2028 AM
5779 AM
2028 AM
3751 real age
5519 dated age
3751 real age
1768 extra years
How do we translate extra years to percent modern Carbon 14?
We can go 0.51768/5730 or we can use this device:
Carbon 14 Dating Calculator
https://www.math.upenn.edu/~deturck/m170/c14/carbdate.html
[Please note, this online resource is not a Creationist one. I use it to interpret carbon dates in terms of pmC or predict carbon dates from pmC otherwise calculated and so on.]
80.745 pmC in AM 2028.
GT established 40 years after Mabul ...
02019 AD
09600 dated BC
11619 dated age
1657 AM
0040 years after Ark
1697 AM
5779 AM
1697 AM
4082 real age
11619 dated age
04082 real age
07537 extra years
40.183 pmC in AM 1697
GT ended 340 years after Mabul
02019 AD
08600 dated BC
10619 dated age
1697 AM
0300
1997 AM
5779 AM
1997 AM
3782 real age
10619 dated age
03782 real age
06837 extra years
43.733 pmC in AM 1997
How do we get from 43.733 pmC in 1997 to 80.745 pmC in AM 2028?
2028
1997
0033
99.602 % * 43.733 pmC = 43.559 pmC
0,99602 * 0,43733 = 0,4355894266
[I'm showing how I translated to what a French calculator can process, note that decimal points are decimal commas in Europe.]
How many pmC points would be normally produced in 33 years?
100 - 99.602 pmC = 0.398 pmC
1 - 0,99602 = 0,00398
Now, how much faster would the proposed lift be?
80.745 pmC - 43.559 pmC = 37.186 pmC
0,80745 - 0,43559 = 0,37186
37.186 pmC / 0.398 pmC = 0,37186 / 0,00398 = 93.432 times faster.
But how would the carbon level have risen during the 40 years previous to beginning of GT after Ark?
1656 AM (year of Deluge impact, not of exit from Ark) is dated as?
5779 AM
1656 AM
4123 real age
I'll be very gentle to Roger Pearlman. Let's go by the youngest dinosaur carbon dated for Mabul ...
22000 BP/dated age (reference mislaid, will try to supply it later, and I would consider it post flood)
22000 BP/dated age
04123 real age
17877 extra years
11.503 pmC.
41 years - 99.505 pmC
99.505 % * 11.503 pmC = 11.446 pmC
0,99505 * 0,11503 = 0,1144606015
43.733 pmC - 11.446 pmC = 32.287 pmC
0,43733 - 0,11446 = 0,32287
How much would normally be produced in 41 years?
100 - 99.505 pmC = 0.495 pmC
1 - 0,99505 = 0,00495
32.287 pmC / 0.495 pmC = 0,32287 / 0,00495 = 65.22626 times faster.
How does this translate to radiation, supposing as is not actually true, that radiation dose and production of Carbon 14 are directly proportional by a given constant?
The part of the radiation that comes from the cosmos is 0.34 milliSievert / year.
0.34 * 65.22626 = 22.177 milliSievert
0.34 * 93.432 = 31.767 milliSievert.
Japanese authorities in Fukushima area warn about 20 milliSievert per year being critical.
So, I think this scenario is fairly debunked, I also think some have known this for a few years, and this is why there is a sudden interest in "total" debunking, not just of inflated carbon dates, but of carbon dating as a method.
OK, some of that may have been already there, but I think those who would deny the scenario of build up of Carbon 14 in atmosphere would normally, previous to my work, have been supporting Setterfield - who thinks both speed of light and half lives were radically faster in the past.
Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St. Zenon of Verona
12.IV.2019
Veronae passio sancti Zenonis Episcopi, qui inter persecutionis procellas eam Ecclesiam mira constantia gubernavit, et, Gallieni tempore, martyrio coronatus est.
Interesting work. I would not put to much trust in precise carbon dating calibration as even modern dating or artifacts under a thousand years have shown variation from the known actuality.
RépondreSupprimeralso during the catastrophic events of the Mabul year there could have been some uneven distribution and surges, along with some 'washing' of isotopes if that is possible due to flooding. Also was it a straight line increase once the isotope build began or ..
either way I have Noach 1056-2006 passing on after the end of The ice ages in approx. 1996 so GBT founded prior and closed during his lifetime if the relative consensus of it closing 10k YA is correct.
Shem lived well past 2006.
I assume Ham and Yephes lived at least a good part of the 340 year span of The ice ages. Thank You, for the consideration, rm
"I would not put to much trust in precise carbon dating calibration as even modern dating or artifacts under a thousand years have shown variation from the known actuality."
RépondreSupprimerThese are usually concerned with either known effect of atomic pollution (as at nuke explosions or hard melts), or known or at least possible effects of reservoir effect, of eating fish and sea food.
Plants usually don't eat and the GT carbon dates are from charcoal, that is from plants.
If you would argue an atomic explosion occurred at GT, this would lower the normal carbon 14 level back then below the c. 40 + pmC. This would therefore make the rise in carbon 14 levels even steeper and the factor by which carbon 14 must have been produced faster than now even greater.
"also during the catastrophic events of the Mabul year there could have been some uneven distribution and surges,"
RépondreSupprimerPossible, but this cannot account for end of GT to Genesis 14 carbon dated to 3500 BC.
I also gave you the most generous estimate of a normal carbon level at Flood, i. e. the one in which 11 pmC at the start give a distorted view of 22 000 before present years only (17 500 extra years as you pose Flood 4500 years ago). For my own part, I am preferring 40 000 BP as carbon date for Flood, meaning 35 000 extra years as I pose Flood 5000 years ago.
"along with some 'washing' of isotopes if that is possible due to flooding."
Water can wash carbon overall from some things, it cannot as far as we know wash carbon 14 away from carbon 12.
Also was it a straight line increase once the isotope build began or ..
1) The idea of a zig zag rather than straight line or rising and flattening curve (which partly implies even faster carbon buildup earlier on, unless the curve shape is simply due to more C14 decaying as there is more to decay in later parts) comes from Egyptologists and depends on them assuming Egyptian history well known besides Carbon dating, which I presume it is not;
2) if a zig zag occurred that would make parts of the carbon production even steeper and therefore involving even more radiation hitting atmosphere.
"either way I have Noach 1056-2006 passing on after the end of The ice ages in approx. 1996 so GBT founded prior and closed during his lifetime if the relative consensus of it closing 10k YA is correct."
RépondreSupprimerWhy would you have a Biblical date for the ice age and when it closed?
I have a Biblical date (Roman martyrology version of LXX chronology) for GT on the presumption it is Babel.
After 350 after Flood when Noah died to 401 after Flood or around when Peleg was born.
You present ice age as a thing which can simply be presumed to be identified with a certain set of Biblical dates.
Job knowing the ice age, if that interpretation is correct, does not mean it was still ongoing in his time.
"Shem lived well past 2006."
RépondreSupprimerHere is on the Roman martyrology and with my carbon tables:
Babel begins 2602 BC
42.89 pmc, 9600 BC
Babel ends 2562 BC
48.171 pmc, 8600 BC
2484 BC
53.036 pmc, 7734 BC
Shem +
2455 BC
Bricks at Göbekli Tepe or Close?
I presume Ham and Japheth lived about as long as he.
Supprimer"Thank You, for the consideration, rm"
RépondreSupprimerYou are welcome!
Btw, a few days before you start your Pesakh and before I am due to observe the triduum paschale, I may mention, there is a guy who was able to test exactly how incoming radiation (strength of magnetic field too) relates to production of C14 and also to radiation.
RépondreSupprimerAnd therefore how they relate to each other, at least potentially.
Watch who didn't:
Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : Other Check on Carbon Buildup
https://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.com/2017/11/other-check-on-carbon-buildup.html