How Accurate are Chronogenealogies Anyway? Conclusion continued.

Intro : General Intro to my Carbon Tables (with other parts in links in comments) · Conclusion : Preliminary Conclusion, with Corrections · How Accurate are Chronogenealogies Anyway? Conclusion continued. · Table for St Jerome as per Preliminary Conclusion · Refining table Flood to Abraham - and a doubt · Ultra Brief Summary on Carbon 14 Method

Let's take me, ma and gramp. If I were to die now, it would be in my fiftieth year, me having lived 49 years and some. Ma had me in her 22:nd year, after she had lived to 21 and some. She was born before my gramp's 47th birthday. Adding low and high counts, this gives us either 46+21+49=116 years, or 47+22+50=119 years. 119-116 = 3. Three years for three lifespans added.

Genesis 11: 10 And these are the generations of Sem: and Sem was a hundred years old when he begot Arphaxad, the second year after the flood. 11 And Sem lived, after he had begotten Arphaxad, five hundred years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. 12 And Arphaxad lived a hundred and thirty-five years, and begot Cainan. 13 And Arphaxad lived after he had begotten Cainan, four hundred years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. And Cainan lived a hundred and thirty years and begot Sala; and Cainan lived after he had begotten Sala, three hundred and thirty years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. 14 And Sala lived an hundred and thirty years, and begot Heber. 15 And Sala lived after he had begotten Heber, three hundred and thirty years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. 16 And Heber lived an hundred and thirty-four years, and begot Phaleg. 17 And Heber lived after he had begotten Phaleg two hundred and seventy years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. 18 And Phaleg lived and hundred and thirty years, and begot Ragau. 19 And Phaleg lived after he had begotten Ragau, two hundred and nine years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. 20 And Ragau lived and hundred thirty and two years, and begot Seruch. 21 And Ragau lived after he had begotten Seruch, two hundred and seven years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. 22 And Seruch lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot Nachor. 23 And Seruch lived after he had begotten Nachor, two hundred years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. 24 And Nachor lived a hundred and seventy-nine years, and begot Tharrha. 25 And Nachor lived after he had begotten Tharrha, an hundred and twenty-five years, and begot sons and daughters, and he died. 26 And Tharrha lived seventy years, and begot Abram, and Nachor, and Arrhan.

Sem was a hundred years old when he begot Arphaxad, the second year after the flood.
And Arphaxad lived a hundred and thirty-five years, and begot Cainan.
And Cainan lived a hundred and thirty years and begot Sala
And Sala lived an hundred and thirty years, and begot Heber.
And Heber lived an hundred and thirty-four years, and begot Phaleg.
And Phaleg lived and hundred and thirty years, and begot Ragau.
And Ragau lived and hundred thirty and two years, and begot Seruch.
And Seruch lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot Nachor.
And Nachor lived a hundred and seventy-nine years, and begot Tharrha.
And Tharrha lived seventy years, and begot Abram, and Nachor, and Arrhan.

From later records we know that Abraham was 100 years when he got Isaac, Isaac 60 when he begat the twins Jacob and Esau, and Jacob died at 110 years old. This we get from later chapters in Genesis, up to the last. So, Jacob died 270 years from birth of Isaac, with an error margin of 3 years only.

However, St Jerome seems to have omitted the "second Cainan", meaning we get:

Sem was a hundred years old when he begot Arphaxad, the second year after the flood.
And Arphaxad lived a hundred and thirty-five years, and ... begot Sala
And Sala lived an hundred and thirty years, and begot Heber.
And Heber lived an hundred and thirty-four years, and begot Phaleg.
And Phaleg lived and hundred and thirty years, and begot Ragau.
And Ragau lived and hundred thirty and two years, and begot Seruch.
And Seruch lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot Nachor.
And Nachor lived a hundred and seventy-nine years, and begot Tharrha.
And Tharrha lived seventy years, and begot Abram, and Nachor, and Arrhan.

I know from CMI, some manuscripts of LXX as well as some of St Luke do omit the "second Cainan".

Sem was a hundred years old when he begot Arphaxad, the second year after the flood.

2955 BC

And Arphaxad lived a hundred and thirty-five years, and ... begot Sala

2820 BC

And Sala lived an hundred and thirty years, and begot Heber.

2690 BC

And Heber lived an hundred and thirty-four years, and begot Phaleg.

2556 BC

And Phaleg lived and hundred and thirty years, and begot Ragau.

2426 BC

And Ragau lived and hundred thirty and two years, and begot Seruch.

2324 BC

And Seruch lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot Nachor.

2194 BC

And Nachor lived a hundred and seventy-nine years, and begot Tharrha.

2015 BC

And Tharrha lived seventy years, and begot Abram, and Nachor, and Arrhan.

1945 BC

Something is wrong, 2015 BC should have been Abraham's birth:

a diluvio autem, anno bis millesimo nongentesimo quinquagesimo septimo; a nativitate Abrahae, anno bis millesimo quintodecimo

Deluge 2957 BC, Abraham born 2015 BC. 942 years.

Syncellus?

Sem was a hundred years old when he begot Arphaxad, the second year after the flood.

3356 BC (false memory? yep, 3256, never mind, I already wrote the table.)

And Arphaxad lived a hundred and thirty-five years, and begot Cainan.

3221 BC

And Cainan lived a hundred and thirty years and begot Sala

3091 BC

And Sala lived an hundred and thirty years, and begot Heber.

2961 BC

And Heber lived an hundred and thirty-four years, and begot Phaleg.

2827 BC

And Phaleg lived and hundred and thirty years, and begot Ragau.

2697 BC

And Ragau lived and hundred thirty and two years, and begot Seruch.

2565 BC

And Seruch lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot Nachor.

2435 BC

And Nachor lived a hundred and seventy-nine years, and begot Tharrha.

2256 BC

And Tharrha lived seventy years, and begot Abram, and Nachor, and Arrhan.

2186 BC

Syncellus has Flood 3358 BC (no, 3258!) and Abraham born 2188 BC. 1170 years ... I get it. Not 128 years difference as I thought, but 228 years difference.

Here I try again

Noah

600 B.F. - 350 A.F.

Shem

100 B.F. - 500 A.F.

Arphaxad

0 - 565

Cainan

135 - 595 (Exit in St Jerome)

Shelah

265 - 725 : 135 - 595

Eber

395 - 899 : 265 - 769

Peleg

529 - 868 : 399 - 738

Reu

659 - 998 : 529 - 868

Serug

791 - 1121 : 661 - 991

Nahor

921 - 1129 : 791 - 999

Terah

1000 - 1205 : 870 - 1075

Abraham

1070 – 1245 : 940 - 1115

Longevity Charts as per LXX
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.fr/2015/11/longevity-charts-as-per-lxx.html

Here I detect the origin of the error, cited text has:

And Nachor lived a hundred and seventy-nine years, and begot Tharrha.

The text available to Pete Williams, whose article I had used, states 79 years:

CMI : Some remarks preliminary to a biblical chronology
by Pete Williams
https://creation.com/some-remarks-preliminary-to-a-biblical-chronology

So, this variation in LXX text, plus no "second Cainan" would be the reason why Abraham is born "940" (really 942, but Pete seems to have ignored Arphaxad born second year after Flood (or I ignored it when using his info, sorry Pete!) after Flood, which is 2957 BC minus 940 gives "2017" or actually 2015 BC.

We have, now, three versions of LXX plus one Masoretic / Vulgate text in use among Christians. Within each version, only as many years as there are generations are the quibble points due to ambiguity of "lived 79 years" (and how many months?).

II Cainan and Nahor begetting at 179 (Abraham born 1170 after Flood, 1770 after birth of Noah, died 1945 after)

13:1945=0.00668 or 0.668 % error margin

II Cainan and Nahor begetting at 79 (Abraham born 1070 after Flood, 1670 after birth of Noah, died 1845 after)

13:1845=0.007046 (with 07046 repeating) or 0.705 % error margin

No II Cainan and Nahor begetting at 79 (Abraham born 942 after Flood, 1542 after birth of Noah, died 1717 after)

12:1717=0.007 or 0.7 % error margin

No second Cainan, Nahor begetting at 29 and various other shorter ones (Abraham born c. 290 after Flood, unless I counted wrong, 890 after birth of Noah, died 1065 after).

12:1065=0.01127 or 1.127 % error margin

The same type of error margin is - due to shorter life spans - multiplied in Egyptian king lists. These also contradict on more detail than the named versions of the Bible, or of Genesis 11:

Den seal impressions (1st dynasty);

found on a cylinder seal in Den's tomb. It lists all 1st dynasty kings from Narmer to Den by their Horus names.

Palermo stone (5th dynasty);

carved on an olivin-basalt slab. Broken into pieces and thus today incomplete.

Giza King List (6th dynasty);

painted with red, green and black ink on gypsum and cedar wood. Very selective.

South Saqqara Stone (6th dynasty);

carved on a black basalt slab. Very selective.

Karnak King List (18th dynasty);

carved on limestone. Very selective.

Abydos King List of Seti I (19th dynasty);

carved on limestone. Very detailed, but omitting the First Intermediate Period.

Abydos King List of Ramses II (19th dynasty);

carved on limestone. Very selective.

Saqqara King List (19th dynasty), carved on limestone.

Very detailed, but omitting most kings of the 1st dynasty for unknown reasons.

Turin King List (19th dynasty);

written with red and black ink on papyrus. Most possibly the most complete king list in history, today damaged.

Manetho's Aegyptiaca (Greek Period);

possibly written on papyrus. The original writings are lost today and many anecdotes assigned to certain kings seem fictitious.

Source: Wickipeejuh : List of pharaohs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharaohs

The difference is, we still have the continuation or continuations of the tradition which gave us Genesis. We do not have the pharaonic tradition, we only have it filtered through Greeks and Hebrews - or viewed directly in fragmentary expressions, whose place in tradition is debatable. The source considered the lists omitting kings as selective and the ones including them as detailed - it could be instead that some of the "selective" ones are simply correct and some of the "detailed" ones are stuffed.

And obviously, it is useless to appeal to Carbon 14 until you have a calibration, the one I offer being a so far not refuted alternative to the conventional one.

But what if I am wrong in chosing the chronology of St Jerome? I don't think I am. One way of seeing 25 of March as falling on a Friday both Year 33 AD and creation week (as per Latin tradition) is to use St Jerome's chronology, to consider all or all but last pre-Flood years as 364 days long, and heavens as still turning 364 times around Earth per year, but Earth being hit by an asteroid as turning around itself 1.2425 times each year. It would not alter St Robert Bellarmine's understanding of Joshua's long day, or not radically, since in 24 hours the Sun (and Moon) would phenomenally seem to move only 1° 13' and some ".

But what if I actually were wrong and one of the longer chronologies were the right one? Well, as I have been looking for the speed of carbon production (and getting probable years for archaeology as a byproduct), that would mean carbon 14 was forming less fast than I presume, and so the radiation levels its formation implies would be even safer.

However, exactly how much for instance "11 times faster" implies in cosmic radiation dose during Babel, I don't know. If it is "11 times more", things are fairly cool. 11 times a medium of 0.39 milliSievert per year are 4.29 milliSievert per year (lower or higher depending on altitude and possibly also on Equator vs Poles) - far from the highest radiation dose we see in background radiation today. But I failed to get a response from Usoskin.

Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : Other Check on Carbon Buildup
http://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.com/2017/11/other-check-on-carbon-buildup.html

If it is instead 121 (11 squared) times faster, that is troublesome. 47.19 milliSievert per year is more than twice the dose Japanese authorities consider as critical after Fukushima disaster. Even if 11 times faster carbon is only the forty years of Babel. And adding 31.59 milliSievert per year for preceding centuries since Flood would hardly make it better (9 times faster buildup). Then one could imagine that speed of carbon 14 buildup and dose are at square and cube of same factor ... 14.23 milliSievert per year (during Babel) and 10.53 centuries before would be possible. I have not taken into account that high radiation from cosmos also produces colder climate and how the Ice Age resulting from this might have modified radiation dose on Earth. I'll hope its the latter or the equal one, not the squared one ... or that Ice Age took care of it. However, a high raditation especially daytime would also explain preference for living in caves and hunting at night.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Bibl. Mouffetard
Sts Philip and James
11.V.2018