dimanche 6 janvier 2019

Tas Walker Wrong on Chronology of Black Sea Flood


He is clearly right on it's not being the Flood of Noah, though, so read his article thoughtfully before you come to my quibble on chronology.

The Black Sea flood
By Tas Walker | This article is from
Journal of Creation 14(1):40–44—April 2000
https://creation.com/the-black-sea-flood


Now, here is the part with chronology:

If we accept that the Black Sea flooded towards the end of the Ice Age, we can link it with biblical chronology and the true history of the world. There is a good case for the Ice Age being post-Flood. Ussher’s chronology places the Flood of Noah at 2348 BC, and Oard suggests that the Ice Age took 500 years to reach its maximum and a further 200 years to melt back. (Remember these are estimates only.) Thus, the Black Sea flood occurred after most of the continental ice sheets had melted, thereby raising ocean levels and allowing the Mediterranean to overtop the Bosporus, some 700 years after the Flood.

So, with the Flood at 2348 BC, the Ice Age peak would have been around 1850 BC and the melt back completed by 1650 BC at which time the Black Sea area flooded. The discrepancy between this and the published date of 5600 BC (7,600 years ago) for the Black Sea Flood is because the date of the Black Sea flood is based on 14C analyses.

The problem is that the 14C dates have not been corrected for the increase in the atmospheric ratio of 14C/12C following the Flood. The sudden burial of masses of vegetation changed the balance in the carbon reservoirs on the earth, and equilibrium is still being approached. The corrected 14C dates would agree with the biblical date. Thus, the Black Sea flood is one of many post-Flood catastrophes that have occurred around the world (e.g. Siberian mammoths, Iceland’s mega-flood).


What is wrong, exactly? In his Biblical chronology, 1650 BC would be in the lifetime of Joseph.

14C date 5600 BC has to be before Abraham.

Why? Genesis 13 and 14 line up with early dynastic Egypt and (thank Osgood for this one) Chalcolithic of En-Geddi.

But this is in 14C terms as recent as "3000 BC" or "3200 BC".

Therefore, 14C date 5600 BC needs to be when Abraham was very young or before he was born.

I have precisely, unlike the unformitarians, corrected 14C dates for the increase in atmospheric ratio of 14C/12C. I also have a non-Ussher Biblical chronology, on which I should perhaps correct some details, later, but this is from an earlier article with a table.

Serug born
2294 BC

2288 BC
64.991 pmc, 5838 BC

2249 BC
67.347 pmc, 5499 BC

Peleg died
2217 BC


In this table:

Refining table Flood to Abraham - and a doubt
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2018/05/refining-table-flood-to-abraham-and.html


As said, in this table, I have four Biblical date to 14C date correspondences as a base, and I outline the rise in "pmc" = percent modern 14C between 1:st and 2:nd, 3:rd and 4:th correspondence.

2957 BC = Flood, giving 14C level a low estimate at around 1 pmc. This means 14C date corresponds to last Neanderthal and Denisovan skeleta, which I take as pre-Flood race types. This leads up to 2602 BC Babel beginning 5 years after death of Noah at 14C date 9600 BC for begnning of Göbekli Tepe, then 2562 BC corresponds to 14C date 8600 BC for end of it, forty years later, six years before Peleg is born, then Genesis 14 takes place in 1935 BC at 14C date 3200 BC.

For the discrepancies, Biblical to real, I calculate 14C level in pmc, through ...

Carbon 14 Dating Calculator
https://www.math.upenn.edu/~deturck/m170/c14/carbdate.html


Then I take the space between beginning and end of Babel, 40 years, as the division within each part. From 2562 BC at 48.171 pmc to 1935 BC at 85.811 pmc I presume an even rate of rise. And for each level, I calculate extra years, and therefore the 14C date. So, 5600 BC falls between 14C dates 5838 BC and 5499 BC that correspond to Biblical chronology dates 2288 BC and 2249 BC which are the real dates, and which fall between those of (this is what need to revise) birth of Serug in 2294 BC and death of Peleg in 2217 BC.

Well before Abraham was born in 2015 BC. And way out of the league from when Joseph was in Egypt.

Now, they have a methodology for the length of the ice age I disagree on. In fact, one factor influencing cold weather is cosmic radiation. And the rise between Flood and Babel in my table has c. 9 - 10 times faster production of 14C than now, which means the ice age would have happened faster.

Hans Georg Lundahl
La Courneuve
Epiphany
6.I.2019

Update next day:

How likely are the new claims to withstand critical scrutiny? First, the new conclusions rely on radiocarbon analysis which yielded dates up to 12,000 years. Obviously, those dates cannot be correct because the global Flood only occurred around 4,300 years ago. The discrepancy is mainly because the dates have not been corrected for the increase in the atmospheric 14C/12C ratio following the Flood. If this ratio increased smoothly and if carbon dioxide was well mixed in the atmosphere, then the relative timing of events as determined by radiocarbon dating method may well be correct. In this case, the new claims are likely to stand. However, if the atmospheric carbon concentration has been locally disturbed, the timing of events based on carbon dating may well be spurious. There are many factors which can disturb the carbon ratio including local volcanic eruptions.


The Black Sea flood may evaporate completely
by Tas Walker | This article is from
Journal of Creation 16(3):3—December 2002
https://creation.com/black-sea-flood-may-evaporate-completely


12,000 years = 10,000 BC = Approximately death of Noah in 2607 BC.

And the newest carbon dates, 5600 BC, are 340 years later. So, Black Sea would have been building up for 340 years, including the dates for Babel./HGL

PS : obviously this would rule out any sudden flooding of what is now the Black Sea, so, the Atheists who claim this as a possible "irl model" for "Flood myths" are behind the times./HGL

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