I suppose Shane Wilson was referring, when it came to CMI, to their Statement of Faith. She referred to it in a polemical way, but that doesn't mean such a thing does not exist.
Not sure if I already commented on theirs, here it is cited and commented again:
| STATEMENT OF FAITH
[omitting a link]
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And here are my comments on it, not any signature.
- (A)
- PRIORITIES
- 1
- The scientific aspects of creation are important, but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer and Judge.
- 2
- The doctrines of Creator and Creation cannot ultimately be divorced from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
- HGL comments
- Both are reasonable priorities per se. This does not mean they need to be reasonably applied to everyone. Someone can have the talent for being a creationist writer but for instance not the integrity or strength or spirit of sacrifice necessary to be really proclaiming the Gospel of Christ as a bishop, priest or deacon ordained by the Church which Christ founded.
G. K. Chesterton wrote some fine pieces of creationism - or at least one, where he identified the problem of irreducible complexity, in its most basic form.
But if you had asked him to abstain from wine as relatively more than his usual as priests do (except when he was dieting) or to abstain absolutely from sex and marriage, well, he would have said "no way!"
I do not believe it is quite correct to describe as a ministry in the full sense any activity by a layman which is not endorsed by his ecclesiastical superiors, except perhaps charismatic one man ministries, like prophets.
I know CMI don't claim to be a charismatic one, neither do I. Therefore I do NOT claim to be exercising a ministry.
You compare me with how Chesterton was equipped for being a writer, not with how St Paul told St Timothy a bishop needed to be equipped for being a bishop.
- (B)
- BASICS
- HGL comments
- Some of these are basically wrong on some level.
- 1
- The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority, not only in all matters of faith and conduct, but in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science.
- HGL comments
- The
66books of the Bible are the written Word of God. Make that 73 (72, or 73 if you count Baruch separately). Catholic Church, not Jewish Synagogue is final authority on what books are in the Bible.
It is the supreme authority, add here : under God and with Tradition, in all etc.
- 2
- The final guide to the interpretation of Scripture is Scripture itself.
- HGL comments
- Then it uses that guiding role in pointing to another intepreter. CHURCH.
2 Thessalonians 2:14, 1 Timothy 3:15, Luke 10:16, Matthew 28:16-20
One having traditions not written out explicitly in the Bible, and a clergy and a perpetuity since the time of the apostles.
- 3
- The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the origin and history of life, mankind, the Earth and the universe.
- HGL comments
- No problem with this one. Unless you add "only", which CMI didn't do, typological reference to Christ, Eucharist, Church, Blessed Virgin Mary are not excluded.
Or unless you understand "simple" as "always most straightforward possible, never showing any sophistication allowing Easter eggs". I think Tower of Bable narrative shows admirable reticence about what I suspect was a proto-version of Cape Canaveral (confer Göbekli Tepe which actually look a little like launching ramps).
- 4
- The various original life forms (kinds), including mankind, were made by direct creative acts of God. The living descendants of any of the original kinds (apart from man) may represent more than one species today, reflecting the genetic potential within the original kind. Only limited biological changes (including mutational deterioration) have occurred naturally within each kind since Creation.
- HGL comments
- No problem with this one.
Wonder if fauns and centaurs are splice hybrids between men and beasts, since they seem to have existed (Ephron may have been a faun, St Anthony the Great saw one of both).
But if this is true, this change is not natural, it came at a price, and if God has shown mercy on some of the results, that doesn't mean hybridisation is right.
But that is not a problem with this one, since it states "have occurred naturally".
- 5
- The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect.
- HGL comments
- Yes.
Recently a Jewish legend of Holy Land having been miraculously excepted from Flood was probably debunked by the finding of an Elasmosaurus fossil there.
- 6
- The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the necessity of salvation for mankind.
- HGL comments
- Background, not so much "basis". They are forgetting a bit about the Protogospel in Genesis 3:14-15 as very much basis.
- 7
- Death (both physical and spiritual) and bloodshed entered into this world subsequent to, and as a direct consequence of, man’s sin.
- HGL comments
- Yes. At the very least human death, but according to some Fathers and more probably also death of beasts.
- (C)
- THEOLOGY
- HGL comments
- Some is right, some is wrong. Some is incomplete.
- 1
- The Godhead is triune: one God, three Persons—God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
- HGL comments
- Yes.
- 2
- All mankind are sinners, inherently from Adam and individually (by choice) and are therefore subject to God’s wrath and condemnation.
- HGL comments
- Being a sinner and sinning in small things, being a sinner and being subject to the law of sin in the limbs in some, are two different things.
Sinners in the full sense - we are all born that, though the Blessed Virgin Mary and Christ were not even conceived that way and some more saints were delivered from that state before birth ARE subject to God's wrath and condemnation.
We are not all sinners in that sense.
A newly baptised child is no longer a sinner. A sinner who repents and makes a good confession is no longer a sinner after absolution.
We all sin in small things (except Christ and the Blessed Virgin), but venial sin does not constitute a state of sin, does not make one a sinner.
However, all except Adam and Eve before the Fall and especially except Christ and the Blessed Virgin begin as sinners and all who are saved were at some time drawn out of that horrible state. Except the Blessed Virgin who was instead preserved (also through the merits of Calvary) and including Adam and Eve (also through the merits of Calvary).
From Blog de Karla Rouillon krouillong : APRENDAMOS A CONFESARNOS
blog.pucp.edu.pe/blog/krouillong/2016/09/13/aprendamos-a-confesarnos/
If I don't endorse those priests in particular, but rather some like Pope Michael, that doesn't change that the advise given here is the same as he would give.
- 3
- Freedom from the penalty and power of sin is available to man only through the sacrificial death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, and His complete and bodily Resurrection from the dead.
- HGL comments
- Which in turn are made available to us through the sacraments.
- 4
- The Holy Spirit enables the sinner to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
- HGL comments
- Yes.
- 5
- The Holy Spirit lives and works in each believer to produce the fruits of righteousness.
- HGL comments
- In each believer who is in the state of grace and not in the state of original or mortal sin. The produced fruits also have to be willed finally by the man, "do not grieve the Holy Spirit".
- 6
- Salvation is a gift received by faith alone in Christ alone and expressed in the individual’s repentance, recognition of the death of Christ as full payment for sin, and acceptance of the risen Christ as Saviour, Lord and God.
- HGL comments
- By faith, by the sacraments of faith - as to received. It is also needing an upkeep, which implies good works.
- 7
- All things necessary for our salvation are set down in Scripture.
- HGL comments
- In Scripture and in traditions not written down, if given at Revelation (Christ's life, death, resurrection, appearing to Saints Paul and John, etc).
Some rather vital things, like certain sacraments, are more hinted than clearly written out in full detail in Holy Writte.
- 8
- Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.
- HGL comments
- Yes.
- 9
- Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead, ascended to Heaven, is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father, and shall return in like manner to this Earth as Judge of the living and the dead.
- HGL comments
- Yes. Moreover, "is currently" and "shall" imply He has a body, same as when rising from the dead. He has not become a bodiless spirit being, nor is He living in a "pure spirit world", but in a material space where risen bodies from His believers have joined Him (as to the Blessed Virgin, possibly Saint John) or will join Him (at the general Resurrection).
In the time of Innocent III, it seems the first Protestants, namely Waldensians denied this, so when Innocent determined what they had to sign or pronounce if and when returning to the Church, was a creed with certain explicitations.
I will rise again in the same flesh which now I carry.
- 10
- Satan is the personal spiritual adversary of both God and man.
- HGL comments
- Yes.
- 11
- Those who do not believe in Christ are subject to everlasting conscious punishment, but believers enjoy eternal life with God.
- HGL comments
- Not all believers, only doers of the word. As to unbelievers, those who culpably reject Christ are most certainly bound for Hell.
- (D)
- GENERAL
The following are held by members of the Boards (Directors) of Creation Ministries International to be either consistent with Scripture or implied by Scripture:
- HGL comments
- I'm not part of that board or those boards, but we'll see if there is disagreemnt or not.
- 1
- Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation.
- HGL comments
- For man and at least all material creation.
Saint Jerome imagined angels might have been created eons before the rest of Creation, I will not go into that, but not call him heretical either. He's a Church Father.
- 2
- The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of Creation.
- HGL comments
- Rather obviously, yes. Unless one should say days one and six were some shorter.
Since Earth is round, we presume the days and nights are those of Jerusalem time zone (where Christ was to die later).
For day one, light may have been created later than in the morning, like angle of light at 9am or midday. If light even had an angle before the Sun was created. But anyway, the day could have been starting sooner.
Day six would normally have gone one from morning which ended day five, to the evening and then on to Saturday morning. It is probable that instead day six was replaced by God's rest already Friday evening.
So, days 1 - 6 would not have been 6*24 h, but 6*24 - (3+12) or sth like that hours.
- 3
- The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.
- HGL comments
- If gap theory is excluded in all forms, yes.
- 4
- The ‘gap’ theory has no basis in Scripture. Nor has the day-age idea (so-called ‘progressive creation’), or the Framework Hypothesis or theistic evolution.
- HGL comments
- Tolkien's Silmarillion is obviously not for real, but it reveals his struggle with conjugating a real belief in every stated word of Genesis (as he saw it) with the long age he thought necessary.
In that sense, apart from being a kind of novel, it is also embodying a theological hypothesis. Either something like gap or sth like day age (with Ungoliant biting the two trees as end of the "day 3" when trees were created, with Varda making (under God, obviously) moon and sun of its fruits as beginning of "day four", perhaps?) One I think is wrong, but one which is less absurd than considering Cro Magnon men 20 000 years ago as pre-human, not yet rational. He even goes to the length of dividing angelic beings between both sexes to give some reconciliation between supposed knowledge of pre human millennia and Mark 10:6.
Most other versions are probably heretical, that is contradict very directly some part of Scripture. His is at least not free from error. So good he didn't mean it as doctrine. It served as basis for some meditations on those matters and therefore helped at least me to Geocentrism and Creationism.
- 5
- The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of Biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into ‘secular’ and ‘religious’, is rejected.
- HGL comments
- There is God revealed and therefore totally certain and manmade and therefore at least in further ramifications fallible knowledge, however one cannot speak of non-overlapping fields of information.
- 6
- Facts are always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information. By definition, therefore, no interpretation of facts in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record.
- HGL comments
- It is the validity of God's word, not the weakness of man's which makes it true that no interpretation of facts in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record.
So, I suppose I could not be a CMI worker. But they do sometimes take freelance articles too, like from a South African Presbyterian on Patristics and death of subhuman animals./HGL
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